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Is It Now Time That This Foreign Aid Madness Was Ended?
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divebuddy
Hypognosis wrote:
So everyone would stand to lose all their premiums if their workplace becomes detestable and they feel the need to leave?
That's what I was referring to...to the Department of Works and Pensions, if someone walked out of their job, they would be making themselves voluntarily unemployed.
That's situation A, which is, "I can't stand it here...screw you all, you can take your job and stuff it."
In that situation, the employee is making him or herself voluntarily unemployed. And they would not be eligible for JSA for 26 weeks.
What you're referring to someone situation B, which is where an employer says, "Right...I'm afraid that we have to reduce our headcount, before we start looking at names, would anyone like to go for voluntary redundancy?"
In that situation, an employee *would* be eligible for JSA. There's a world of difference between the two situations.
Remember, I was responding to Hypognosis' point as reprinted below:
//So everyone would stand to lose all their premiums if their workplace becomes detestable and they feel the need to leave?
A great way for workplace bullies to turn the screw, especially on people who've paid in for years and years and stand to lose out if they voluntarily resign.
And then there's vindictive bosses, who take delight in firing people, on a whim.//
That's exactly what where the employee would be right now. If they left a company because they hated the place, they wouldn't be eligible for JSA.
That's supported by the link I provided.
Hypognosis wrote:
So everyone would stand to lose all their premiums if their workplace becomes detestable and they feel the need to leave?
That's what I was referring to...to the Department of Works and Pensions, if someone walked out of their job, they would be making themselves voluntarily unemployed.
That's situation A, which is, "I can't stand it here...screw you all, you can take your job and stuff it."
In that situation, the employee is making him or herself voluntarily unemployed. And they would not be eligible for JSA for 26 weeks.
What you're referring to someone situation B, which is where an employer says, "Right...I'm afraid that we have to reduce our headcount, before we start looking at names, would anyone like to go for voluntary redundancy?"
In that situation, an employee *would* be eligible for JSA. There's a world of difference between the two situations.
Remember, I was responding to Hypognosis' point as reprinted below:
//So everyone would stand to lose all their premiums if their workplace becomes detestable and they feel the need to leave?
A great way for workplace bullies to turn the screw, especially on people who've paid in for years and years and stand to lose out if they voluntarily resign.
And then there's vindictive bosses, who take delight in firing people, on a whim.//
That's exactly what where the employee would be right now. If they left a company because they hated the place, they wouldn't be eligible for JSA.
That's supported by the link I provided.
Bigbad
I don't see why part (very important that...'part') of the reason why some in developing countries continue with family traditions which means that the elderly are looked after their families when they cannot care for them any more.
Indeed, I think it's pretty laudable.
I suspect the biggest driver to the number of children that are born to parents in some countries is the high infant mortality rates.
Looking at the countries with the worst mortality rates for babies and children, the top ten region have an average of 87 deaths per 100 births.
In the UK, our rate is 4.5 deaths per 100 births.
My gut feeling is that is one of the key drivers behind higher fertility rates amongst developing nations.
Rather than letting nature take it's course, as has been suggested earlier, I think a better solution is a twin pronged attack - better health care, and *much* better distribution of contraceptive solutions (that's 'solutions' as in 'products' not as in 'unidentified liquids').
I don't see why part (very important that...'part') of the reason why some in developing countries continue with family traditions which means that the elderly are looked after their families when they cannot care for them any more.
Indeed, I think it's pretty laudable.
I suspect the biggest driver to the number of children that are born to parents in some countries is the high infant mortality rates.
Looking at the countries with the worst mortality rates for babies and children, the top ten region have an average of 87 deaths per 100 births.
In the UK, our rate is 4.5 deaths per 100 births.
My gut feeling is that is one of the key drivers behind higher fertility rates amongst developing nations.
Rather than letting nature take it's course, as has been suggested earlier, I think a better solution is a twin pronged attack - better health care, and *much* better distribution of contraceptive solutions (that's 'solutions' as in 'products' not as in 'unidentified liquids').
Bigbad
Damn...
A corrigendum:
I don't see why part (very important that...'part') of the reason why some in developing countries continue with family traditions should be viewed as a 'vile, selfish, despicable and contemptible' reason. It means that the elderly are looked after their families when they cannot care for them any more.
Damn...
A corrigendum:
I don't see why part (very important that...'part') of the reason why some in developing countries continue with family traditions should be viewed as a 'vile, selfish, despicable and contemptible' reason. It means that the elderly are looked after their families when they cannot care for them any more.
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Footnote:
In browsing the relevant parts of the gov.uk website, I see how out of date my knowledge has become. "New State Pension" kicks in for men born after 6 Apr 51 and women born after 6 April 53.
It says the page I've linked to, below, no longer applies to them. I include it only because it clarifies what contracting out used to mean. I also learned that contracting out is far from universal among employer schemes and it lists a bunch of public-service sector employment areas as being contracted out.
https:/
As far as I can determine, Appropriate Personal Pension (APPs) were contracted out. At least google failed to put any such thing as a "contracted in private pension" as high as page 1. (Note that google cannot handle search terms of less than three letters).
From 6 April 2016, nobody will be contracted out. Some of us are going to see an increased NI deduction on our April payslips. Either I've missed the slew of news stories about thus, or it was wrapped in general budget day hoo-hah, or the publicity splurge will be commencing today.
In browsing the relevant parts of the gov.uk website, I see how out of date my knowledge has become. "New State Pension" kicks in for men born after 6 Apr 51 and women born after 6 April 53.
It says the page I've linked to, below, no longer applies to them. I include it only because it clarifies what contracting out used to mean. I also learned that contracting out is far from universal among employer schemes and it lists a bunch of public-service sector employment areas as being contracted out.
https:/
As far as I can determine, Appropriate Personal Pension (APPs) were contracted out. At least google failed to put any such thing as a "contracted in private pension" as high as page 1. (Note that google cannot handle search terms of less than three letters).
From 6 April 2016, nobody will be contracted out. Some of us are going to see an increased NI deduction on our April payslips. Either I've missed the slew of news stories about thus, or it was wrapped in general budget day hoo-hah, or the publicity splurge will be commencing today.
sp.
You have absolutely nothing. No food. No shelter. No money. No clean water. No prospect of anything changing.
What you do have is an expectation that should you live, then someone should take care of you later in life.
So you have multiple children, despite the fact that you cannot care for them, their life is going to be be appalling, and there is a pretty good chance that they will die whilst still infants.
And that’s not vile, selfish, despicable and contemptible?
With this mindset, these people are unlikely to take contraceptives voluntarily, and you can’t educate the uneducable.
These countries are referred to as “The Developing World.” (When did we stop saying “Third World”)?
I cannot think of one major development that has occurred during my lifetime.
The starve/breed/die cycle is the only constant, and will continue to be for as long as we keep sending them aid.
I am still struggling to understand why you think that those people at home shouldn’t have children if they can’t afford them, but it’s OK for these undeveloped, uneducated people to do so.
You have absolutely nothing. No food. No shelter. No money. No clean water. No prospect of anything changing.
What you do have is an expectation that should you live, then someone should take care of you later in life.
So you have multiple children, despite the fact that you cannot care for them, their life is going to be be appalling, and there is a pretty good chance that they will die whilst still infants.
And that’s not vile, selfish, despicable and contemptible?
With this mindset, these people are unlikely to take contraceptives voluntarily, and you can’t educate the uneducable.
These countries are referred to as “The Developing World.” (When did we stop saying “Third World”)?
I cannot think of one major development that has occurred during my lifetime.
The starve/breed/die cycle is the only constant, and will continue to be for as long as we keep sending them aid.
I am still struggling to understand why you think that those people at home shouldn’t have children if they can’t afford them, but it’s OK for these undeveloped, uneducated people to do so.
Bigbad
I think that the developing world has more stories than those that you describe. High infant mortality leads to more children being born to make up for those who die.
Have you ever noticed that when we see stories from regions that have suffered civil war, famine or other natural disasters, we don't see large families? If birth rates were to fall in these regions, without infant mortality rates falling at the same time within a generation, I would imagine a population crisis, based on the fact that there would not be enough people to farm lands, supply industry etc.
The picture you describe, relates specifically to crisis areas - whereas I'm looking at the developing world (sorry for using this word) - holistically.
I think that the developing world has more stories than those that you describe. High infant mortality leads to more children being born to make up for those who die.
Have you ever noticed that when we see stories from regions that have suffered civil war, famine or other natural disasters, we don't see large families? If birth rates were to fall in these regions, without infant mortality rates falling at the same time within a generation, I would imagine a population crisis, based on the fact that there would not be enough people to farm lands, supply industry etc.
The picture you describe, relates specifically to crisis areas - whereas I'm looking at the developing world (sorry for using this word) - holistically.
divebuddy
People voluntarily leaving their job do not get JSA. That's the situation that was being described by Hypognosis.
See his post at 18:02 from yesterday. That's the situation I was referring to when I responded at 19:10.
If you leave your current employer because you hate the job, or the people - then you will not be eligible for JSA for 26 weeks.
If, however - you are offered, and accept voluntary redundancy, you will be eligible for JSA.
Just to be sure, is anyone else confused by this, or just divebuddy? I've just reread what I've written and cannot see a way of making it any clearer.
People voluntarily leaving their job do not get JSA. That's the situation that was being described by Hypognosis.
See his post at 18:02 from yesterday. That's the situation I was referring to when I responded at 19:10.
If you leave your current employer because you hate the job, or the people - then you will not be eligible for JSA for 26 weeks.
If, however - you are offered, and accept voluntary redundancy, you will be eligible for JSA.
Just to be sure, is anyone else confused by this, or just divebuddy? I've just reread what I've written and cannot see a way of making it any clearer.
sp.
The only ‘stories’ that the “developing” world has is the one that goes breed/starve/leech/die.
The same story that has been told for as long as I can remember.
As for the regions that have civil war, I notice that amongst the Syrian refugees, there are many under fives, which means that their parents also chose to have them under horrific circumstances.
Another lot that we have to prop up!
I am still hoping that you will attempt to help me understand “why you think that those people at home shouldn’t have children if they can’t afford them, but it’s OK for these undeveloped, uneducated people to do so”. (My post at 6.53 this morning).
naomi. Thank you.
The only ‘stories’ that the “developing” world has is the one that goes breed/starve/leech/die.
The same story that has been told for as long as I can remember.
As for the regions that have civil war, I notice that amongst the Syrian refugees, there are many under fives, which means that their parents also chose to have them under horrific circumstances.
Another lot that we have to prop up!
I am still hoping that you will attempt to help me understand “why you think that those people at home shouldn’t have children if they can’t afford them, but it’s OK for these undeveloped, uneducated people to do so”. (My post at 6.53 this morning).
naomi. Thank you.
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