Interesting Opinion From A Eurosceptic

[Zacs-Master]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/14/sajid-javid-the-only-thing-leaving-the-eu-guarantees-is-a-lost-d/

[Zacs-Master]

Cheap shot there Talbot and very insulting to our female ABers. Domestic abuse is not gender related.

[Old_Geezer]

That, should we vote to leave, Brussels would instantly prevent access to the Single Market and throw away trade is just not realistic. If the situation was trade only, as it was first pitched to the UK people, then there'd be no issue. To claim to be an EU sceptic and yet wish to stay, knowing it'd be forever and a day before it became something acceptable, simply doesn't add up.

Personally I think the vote too close to call at present but I won't believe that the UK population will end up throwing away this one opportunity to regain its control and pride and to subjugate future generations to this unelected elite who has no concern for the needs of individual nations. It is clear the EU has massive problems with both national economies and border control. One has one opportunity to stand up and say, "Enough", and surely they have the courage to do so.

[Zacs-Master]

Or not 'gender specific'.

[-Talbot-]

awww christ, Zacs ... have you joined the easily offended or offended on others behalf brigade?

[Zacs-Master]

'To claim to be an EU sceptic and yet wish to stay, knowing it'd be forever and a day before it became something acceptable, simply doesn't add up.'

So it's much better to go into uncharted waters which we have no idea will be better or worse (with many industry heads and financial figures claiming it will probably be a whole lot worse) than stay as one of the most wealthy countries in Europe who exhibit growth far beyond other EU countries? And if you don't think we're wealthy, then I'd do some research!

[Old_Geezer]

And no one knows what new agreement would be reached so suggesting that free movement of labour etc. would inevitably be part of it simply can not be assumed. It'd be a deal breaker and the EU would know not to throw away trade based on some desire to impose foolish desires. They should be more concerned with other members following a UK example and also leaving, since dissatisfaction is not exclusive to the UK.

[Zacs-Master]

Talbot, stop confusing logic with leftist ideals. Bringing domestic abuse into the argument is childish and irrelevant and quite frankly beneath you.

[-Talbot-]

We keep getting told by Bremainers
'stay and change it from within'


A wife beater will always tell his missus 'please don't leave I'll change'

almost never happens.

[Old_Geezer]

And we'd remain wealthy outside where we flourished before and have no rational reason to fear not being able to do so again. The EU is not why we have wealth. The implication that it is, is very naughty.

[-Talbot-]

EDDIE
Javid expresses my opinion perfectly. There is a lot wrong with the EU but we are better off in.


So you admit that there is a lot wrong with the EU EDDIE ... but do you seriously believe anything will change?

And if you do, how will we achieve that?

[cassa333]

I have no doubt that to leave would be a dodgy time for the economy for a while but that doesn't mean we should stay. It means we should plan better and make more effort to improve.

[Zacs-Master]

You see, that's the problem with a lot of criticism the stay campaign is receiving. We've never said that the EU is perfect. But it's certainly not the totalitarian state which some extremists portray it as. Our trade still continues to grow with the EU (it is also growing with not EU countries and slightly faster too - possibly due to the privelidged preference which the EU affords us) so why alienate a whole economic market? We have the best of both worlds at the moment. It would be ridiculous to throw that away to score a few political points.

[mikey4444]

I think the Tories missed a trick here, by not putting Sajid Javid up for London Mayor......bright and Muslim to boot !

[Zacs-Master]

I think the thermostat on your brain is faulty Mikey. That's a very half baked idea.

[-Talbot-]

I thought being Muslim had nothing to do with the London mayoral election?

[Old_Geezer]

For most of the population it's nothing to do with political point gathering. That's just superficial.

[mikey4444]

Well, I don't think it does Talbot, but lots of people on here think that Khans religion was of the uttermost importance to his victory.

So I am merely pointing out that Javid could have won it for the Tories !

[naomi24]

Off topic, Mikey - and you know you object to people going off topic. ;o)

[Svejk]

Stop digging, mikey.

[mikey4444]

I'm enjoying myself Naomi !