It's Official, The Eu Restricts The Power Of Our Own Elected Government, Says Baroness Lawrence.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3636980/Don-t-listen-elite-DOREEN-LAWRENCE-Labour-peer-mother-murdered-teenager-says-EU-protects-ordinary-people.html

/// For me, co-operation with our partners on the continent and the restriction of the power of our government is a positive, not a
negative. ///

So says "not an ordinary person" Baroness Lawrence, a member of the unelected house.

Seems to me that is of course only while there is a Tory government in power is it Mrs Lawrence?

[Gromit]

Is that the same Mrs Lawrence that you have been conducting an hate campaign against for several years?

[Gromit]

// This woman [Doreen Lawrence]is just stirring things up amongst the black communities, and her criticisms verge on racism. //

[Svejk]

It's an oft heard meme in this campaign. Some people just don't 'get' democracy.

[Gromit]

The UK is not really in a strong pisition to lecture anyone about being undemocratic.

At the last election, it took
32,000 votes to elect a Conservative MP
3,900,000 votes to elect a UKIP MP.

We have a pretence of a democracy. The EU way is no worse.

[DTCwordfan]

3.9 million votes, Gromit, across how many constituencies? Fact - UKIP were not strong enough to deliver seats in a 1st past the post system, which has been our electoral base for x decades.

[Gromit]

We may have has FPTP for decades but that does not mean it is democratic. It is heavily biased in favour of the Conservatives and Labour. If the General Election was a true endeavour to give the population of the country representation based on their vote, then UKIP should have had 75 MPs.
As it is, our system is rigged to keep the elite in power.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

You, yourself have been conducting a hate campaign against many, including your own country, but that isn't the subject we are dealing with here.

[mikey4444]

Gromit...when the people of Britain had an opportunity to vote for a form of PR, after the 2010 election, the motion was soundly defeated.

[sp1814]

AOG

Specifically, what are you asking?

I know you've been in charge of AB's 'Doreen Larence' subsection of the News thread, but your previous missives have largely centred on asking her to 'get over' her son's murder...and that's easy to understand.

But this one's a bit trickier...what angle are you going with this time?

[THECORBYLOON]

What is the thrust of this thread, Doreen Lawrence, unelected members of the House of Lords, the EU or the Tory government?

[Svejk]

We have the democracy we have, gromit, which could be discussed in a separate thread.
However, in the space of the last week, I've heard Tasmin Sheik, Nicola Sturgeon and now St Doreen saying we should stay in the EU to prevent the tories carrying out their manifesto.

[Gromit]

Mikey

My point was not to for trumpet PR* but to illustrate the hypocrisy of a country that has such a broken form of democracy, lecturing others for being undemocratic.

* We voted on AV which is not PR and can often be worse than FPTP.

[Gromit]

Svejk

It is the job of the opposition parties to hold the Government to scrutiny, even if they have a majority and therefore a mandate to rule. Along with the second chamber (the undemocratic Lords) they act as a safety net to reign in some policies that may harm the country.
They are not doing a terribly good job judging by the number of duff polucies that have had to be U-turned in recent times.

[Svejk]

Exactly, gromit, democratically turned over in the commons. I think the lords overstepped the mark when they over-ruled a bill recently. But it's certainly not, or shouldn't be, the place of unelected bureaucrats to dictate policy to Parliament.

[naomi24]

Why is anyone listening to her?

[Jackdaw33]

Because she is an icon of the Left.

[naomi24]

I'll rephrase it. Why is anyone else listening to her?

[Gromit]

// Why is anyone listening to her? //

Only the Daily Mail apparently. They won many plaudits for their campaign with her, so she holds a special place in their hearts.

// Icon of the left // - It is amusing when people say unintentionally funny things.

[naomi24]

Gromit, so the Mail holds her deliberations in some esteem. Okay. Still don't know why anyone else is bothering to listen to her.

[Zacs-Master]

But you've just slagged off our Gov't in your 'Cameron's a liar' thread AOG so why would you want them to have more power?