Are You Still Undecided Which Way To Vote On Thursday?

[ladybirder]

This from The Spectator, reported by the DM, should help you make up your mind. Best article I've seen throughout the whole campaign.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647690/Set-Britain-free-Unsure-vote-brilliantly-incisive-verdict-Spectator-nation-s-foremost-political-magazine-help.html

[Mamyalynne]

^^ Pork chops, sorry

[-SharonA-]

This ruling has nothing to do with the EU enforcing here in England as it has been in force long before we joined.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1993/jan/25/pigs-kidneys-consumer-safety

[Jackdaw33]

Excuse me, but we joined, under a different name, in 1973. Do the maths.

[Khandro]

Cloverjo;//I'm sorry I can't be bothered with the wait to download the article, and I hate the DM anyway.//

It isn't a D.M. article, it is a reprint from The Spectator, well worth reading. Please give it a try.

[Khandro]

I'm posting this in of mine from another topic, but it is relevant as they are asking for us to increase our contribution should we stay
"A European Army is one of the dreams of Jean-Claude Juncker, former mayor of the town of Luxembourg, a tin-pot town in an insignificant country.
His basic salary, by the way, is £245,629 - what his expenses amount to, your guess is as good as mine (the books are closed)."
Plans to increase the size of the EU, plus further talks on this 'army' have been put on hold until after the referendum.
Out!

[ichkeria]

"The Times is for Remain.
If you somehow think that leaving will make "Britain great again", you're living in a fantasy. In the event of an exit, Britain will dwindle away to an unimportant little country, used by others as a tax haven and for cheap, menial labour. "

Indeed Chair.
We received our first Leave literature in the post today and call me naive, but I was shocked that the only three points on it were either lies or irrelevancies
1 We pay 350 million a week to the EU
LIE (and they know it)
2 70 million Turks are about to joinn the EU (and, by implication, invade Britain)
LIE (and they know it
3 If we weren't in today, would you vote to join.. Disingenuous irrelevance.

If I was a well-informed "don't know", I'd be wondering at the strength of a case which relied in this sort of argument.
As for the Spectator argument, the WTO, IMF etc are dismissed as elitist acronyms. It's sad to see a respected journal resorting to such shallowness. Although I've often thought that shallowness probably typifies the standard Spectator reader.
Actually, the Times leader, in promoting Remain, makes a far better case for "Leave" than a million Boris Johnsons and Michael Goves combined. But it's devastating because it matches all that with something even stronger.

[Jackdaw33]

I remember back in 1997 that the Times said, 'Vote Blair'. That says it all.

[ladybirder]

Clover Jo, I made a point of spelling out that the article was from The Spectator and only reported by the DM so your comment is not relevant. Also, can I suggest you get your computer checked out if it takes so long for you to download the article as it takes about 2 seconds for me. I don't know why you bothered replying at all really but thank you anyway.
Khandro thank you for pointing out the same.

I'm glad to hear about the pork chops. I used to get really annoyed when half the weight was made up of a kidney which was cheaper than the pork meat and was not what I'd ordered.

10 Clarion can I ask you why you have taken the decision not to vote please?

Way to go for all the Outers!

[Marshwarble]

The intelligent Murdoch press goes with Brexit, the Sun goes with Bremain. It might tell you everything you want to know.

[ichkeria]

"The intelligent Murdoch press goes with Brexit, the Sun goes with Bremain. It might tell you everything you want to know. "

i think you got that the wrong way round :-)

[Old_Geezer]

Apart from trying to convince the reader that they have appalling judgement, by admitting that they supported Margaret Thatcher right at the start, the rest is just obvious common sense.

[webbo3]

Perhaps he should look at his own economy as its not doing to well and we are the 5th biggest in the world, I think we will manage quite well on our own and the french may miss some of our money.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3648044/Britain-isolated-trading-post-significance-GUERNSEY-vote-Brexit-says-French-minister.html


Dave.

[Baldric]

Thank you for your support 10CS

[jourdain2]

May I suggest that everyone considers Lincoln's words? "Government of the people, by the people and for the people." It is called Democracy. Now try applying that to the European Superstate they are intent on creating.

Think about it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The link argues the economic case for Leave. Personally I haven't gone looking for either confirmation or criticism of my own position. That's because I've long since made my mind up based solely on the sovereignty argument. Even if the economic arguments for remaining were true, I'd still prefer to live in a sovereign nation as a poorer, but still free man (even if less free than twenty years ago).

The argument I'll make to the undecided is this, that Remain is not the safer option: there are as many uncertainties if we remain as if we leave. One of those is how many powers will be surrendered to the Rompuy's. Another is what will be the effect on the EU as a whole if Italy goes the same way as Greece?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRRBlrQVEY