Are You Still Undecided Which Way To Vote On Thursday?

[ladybirder]

This from The Spectator, reported by the DM, should help you make up your mind. Best article I've seen throughout the whole campaign.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647690/Set-Britain-free-Unsure-vote-brilliantly-incisive-verdict-Spectator-nation-s-foremost-political-magazine-help.html

[retrocop]

Just read the Spectator article and wholly agree with the report.
I noted some weeks back that the awful Eagle woman ( Labour) and her cronies advocate stay because to leave would let down the Trade Unions? So Labour don't care who rules and brings Britain to it's knees. The EU (leeching our economy and sovereignty) or anti- British Trots who strike solely for greed and to hell with our country and democracy! If thats the reasons Labourites want remain them small wonder they are labelled Anti-British on AB !!
As we are the worlds 5th highest economy I would rather an accountable and democratically elected Sovereign government control our purse strings and not faceless unelected and unaccountable thieves in Brussels dictate to us. I believe it is nothing more than cowardice to remain. We alone are stronger when independent of Brussels calling the tune to their benefit from our economy!!

[Old_Geezer]

The DM just regurgitates the scare stories, claims that they're true and 'leave' simply doesn't care, admits we got no concessions worth the name, yet still insists we remain to continue in the undemocratic mire we are presently in.

[mushroom25]

//the EU protects NHS workers` rights? //

well that's not strictly true. what protects workers rights (all workers not just the NHS) derives from an EU directive (working time directive, etc), these on their own have no legal standing in any member state, until enacted into that states' own law. so it's UK law that protects NHS workers rights. if the UK votes to leave, these measures can't just be abandoned, they're enshrined in law and have to be properly repealed. in the event od Brexit, it's unlikely the government will have the stomach - or the parliamentary time - to deal with very much of this.

[Khandro]

The Daily Mail and the Sunday Mail have different editors and different policies, in this case, they are at loggerheads.

[retrocop]

Could someone on AB download an article by Dr Max Pemberton in yesterdays Saturday Daily Mail please. He gives compelling reasons to leave in order to save the NHS.
EU is in debt to Uk for £600 million reciprocal health care by NHS for
other EU nationals. We pay £14 to EU per each Brit treated abroad.We get £1 per EU patient treated by NHS. We pay by the rules to the cost of our health service. The EU benefits. The EU does not provide the most much needed doctors to the UK. India does and the Phillipines provide nurses. They just get visas as could european nurses if they wished to continue work in the NHS if we leave. Of course without channeling so much unfair cash into that corrupt Union we could train our own doctors and nurses again from the UK. I cant C&P the article on this Iphone unfortunately.
It is a worthy article well worth reading.

[jomifl]

Not the least bit undecided, I only had to see what kind of people are voting for brexit to take the contrary view..

[ToraToraTora]

bang on spectator, good article. The ABC will just ignore of course because they are determined to emerge us into the EUSSR.

[tamborine]

Here Retrocop.....but the NHS should claim back costs, proportionately.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3511929/DR-MAX-MIND-DOCTOR-Nonsense-Quitting-EU-SAVE-hospitals.html

[Ken4155]

The Express advocate a 'leave' vote and there is a full page 'comment' in today's SE laying out the reasons why we should vote for a Brexit. In it there are the usual sound-bites we have all heard, time and time again, but there are a couple of statements that have me a tad confused. "We are the world's fifth largest economy" and "Our economy is more dynamic than the Eurozone, we have more global influence than any state within it, as well as a leadership role in NATO and the UN." Didn't we get to be all these things whilst members of the EU? No wonder people like me are, even at this late hour, still undecided.

[retrocop]

Tamborine
Many thanks I appreciate your efforts. I found some very compelling reasons to leave.

[mushroom25]

//Didn't we get to be all these things whilst members of the EU?//

no, our membership of the UN and NATO predates our original entry into the EEC. we are members of both in our own right and not as european representatives.

[ToraToraTora]

despite ken, not because of!

[tamborine]

Watch your pound drop with Brexit threat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/14/ftse-100-slides-towards-6000-and-pound-falls-as-brexit-fears-dri/

[Jackdaw33]

...and watch it bounce right back come Independence Day.

[Ken4155]

mushroom; i meant our status within NATO and the UN, rather than just our membership.
TTT; i never said "because of". And your statement can never be proven one way or t'other.

[Elspeth]

Please can someone who denies that we send £350 million per week to Brussels explain to me how that statement is a lie? The Treasury says we do send that amount, it is common knowledge, as is the fact that we do get some of it back, with strings attached, in the form of grants etc. So, is the Treasury lying?

[Khandro]

Everybody is lying Elspeth :0)

[ladybirder]

If I remember correctly Elspeth we end up in credit of about £130-£140M after our rebate negotiated by TGL and subsidies for farmers etc. are taken into account.

[Elspeth]

It seems to me that there is a certain amount of petulance entering the debate from some replies not to mention splitting hairs. But all debate is good.

[Dodger666]

Assuming this is correct, the UK’s ‘net contribution’ to the EU was estimated at about £8.5 billion in 2015.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/