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Could There Be Another Eu Referendum?
Is there any possibility that the UK could have another referendum on leaving the EU? There seems to be widespread shock at the result and furthermore it would appear that a lot of people who voted to leave didn't have a clue if the real ramifications.
I know that they said it was a one time vote but that could have been politics speak. Is there a chance that if there seemed to be enough of an outcry at the result that they could have one final vote to see if the result would change?
I know that they said it was a one time vote but that could have been politics speak. Is there a chance that if there seemed to be enough of an outcry at the result that they could have one final vote to see if the result would change?
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//In that, I agree with NJ entirely. It's disappointing, though, that his arguments are coloured by a sort of "old people know better anyway" reasoning.//
Jim you are welcome to the advice I make a habit of giving to all the "young" people in my life, and that is, "get it all done whilst you still know everything".
Jim you are welcome to the advice I make a habit of giving to all the "young" people in my life, and that is, "get it all done whilst you still know everything".
I was very unhappy with the result of one or 2 elections as well, especially when there was a very low turnout - it is called Democracy all you people whinging away and giving pleasure to our new enemies in Europe who will just love to see us divided. We all have to step up to the plate now and get on with it. Think of the pleasure and hope we have given to so many other, friendly Europeans. We'll soon have a group of minded countries to deal with.
@newjudge et al I know the uk is and always has been a force to be reckoned with and I presume you will continue to be so. However I stand by my assertion that many people didn't realise the uncertainty that will now unfold.
As in all major debates, the main voices telling you their opinions and telling you how to vote are already millionaires and their outcome is okay. It will be the poor that will suffer most.
Except those on the NHS who have got 350 million a week to spend. Oh wait....
As in all major debates, the main voices telling you their opinions and telling you how to vote are already millionaires and their outcome is okay. It will be the poor that will suffer most.
Except those on the NHS who have got 350 million a week to spend. Oh wait....
flobadob
The irony klaxon is still resounding in my ears from a quote in this morning's Daily Mail by one sour puss Labour porker named Emily Porker. Obviously she was a remainer,
" it won't be people like Boris Johnson who suffer but those whose heads are only just above the water,said the Islington South MP.
Miss Thornberry who was forced to resign from Ed Millibands shadow cabinet for a sneering post on Twitter of a house in Rochester with England flags and a white van outside,added' A lot of people in Islington depend on our Country's Internationalism. To leave will simply be dreadful and the Islington vote recognises that'.
The crass hypocrisy of this typical self serving Labourite. Now big buddies again with her champagne socialist neighbour Jeremy Corbyn. She has the audacity to talk about those whose heads are barely above the water.
Mr White van man couldn't afford to rent a garage for his van in that decitful hypocrites neighbourhood.
If these are the people we were up against then small wonder the remains lost.
The irony klaxon is still resounding in my ears from a quote in this morning's Daily Mail by one sour puss Labour porker named Emily Porker. Obviously she was a remainer,
" it won't be people like Boris Johnson who suffer but those whose heads are only just above the water,said the Islington South MP.
Miss Thornberry who was forced to resign from Ed Millibands shadow cabinet for a sneering post on Twitter of a house in Rochester with England flags and a white van outside,added' A lot of people in Islington depend on our Country's Internationalism. To leave will simply be dreadful and the Islington vote recognises that'.
The crass hypocrisy of this typical self serving Labourite. Now big buddies again with her champagne socialist neighbour Jeremy Corbyn. She has the audacity to talk about those whose heads are barely above the water.
Mr White van man couldn't afford to rent a garage for his van in that decitful hypocrites neighbourhood.
If these are the people we were up against then small wonder the remains lost.
Flobadob,
Maybe the politicians are sorted with their big wage and nice pension, but the “out” vote was decided democratically by people from all walks of life and on all sorts of incomes.
I find it hard to believe that people didn’t grasp the basics of what was to come, whichever way they chose to vote.
And I suspect that a lot of people knew right from the start how they were going to vote: I wasn’t old enough to vote last time round, so you could say I have “grown up” with the EU. However, if you had asked me 20 years ago how I was going to vote, I would still have said “out,” but it didn’t stop me watching the debates and listening to what other people had to say.
Anybody who really did go into the ballot box and cast a protest vote instead of a vote that reflected their true beliefs, is at best a fool, and at worse, deserves all the things they really were against, to be rained down upon them like the plague of locusts that was predicted by the remainers.
Maybe the politicians are sorted with their big wage and nice pension, but the “out” vote was decided democratically by people from all walks of life and on all sorts of incomes.
I find it hard to believe that people didn’t grasp the basics of what was to come, whichever way they chose to vote.
And I suspect that a lot of people knew right from the start how they were going to vote: I wasn’t old enough to vote last time round, so you could say I have “grown up” with the EU. However, if you had asked me 20 years ago how I was going to vote, I would still have said “out,” but it didn’t stop me watching the debates and listening to what other people had to say.
Anybody who really did go into the ballot box and cast a protest vote instead of a vote that reflected their true beliefs, is at best a fool, and at worse, deserves all the things they really were against, to be rained down upon them like the plague of locusts that was predicted by the remainers.
Well, that’s democracy for you Zacs-Master.
Doesn’t matter whether any election/referendum is won by a landslide or a small majority, there are always going to be people who are peed off with the result.
I didn’t vote for Mr. Blair’s “lets allow anyone and everyone to come here” government. Nor did I vote for Mr. Cameron’s “we really must take in some of these poor refugees, despite the fact we have said we wouldn’t” government, but I still had to live with it.
In fact, up until last Thursday, I can’t remember the last time I put a cross in the winning box, because I believe you should vote for the option that is the closest to your own beliefs.
So now I am prepared to take the rough with the smooth, safe in the knowledge that it will not be a bunch of unelected Megalomaniacs dictating to future generations of Bigbads!
Doesn’t matter whether any election/referendum is won by a landslide or a small majority, there are always going to be people who are peed off with the result.
I didn’t vote for Mr. Blair’s “lets allow anyone and everyone to come here” government. Nor did I vote for Mr. Cameron’s “we really must take in some of these poor refugees, despite the fact we have said we wouldn’t” government, but I still had to live with it.
In fact, up until last Thursday, I can’t remember the last time I put a cross in the winning box, because I believe you should vote for the option that is the closest to your own beliefs.
So now I am prepared to take the rough with the smooth, safe in the knowledge that it will not be a bunch of unelected Megalomaniacs dictating to future generations of Bigbads!
"Trouble is it will be rained-down upon us all. "
That's the trouble with democracy, Zacs. Not everyone gets what they want. When a Genereal Election is held the government that results from that election is "rained down upon us all" even though, usually, only about a third of the vote went to the party forming that government.
This was a far more democratic outcome. It was a simple "In or Out" question and more than half of those voting (with the highest turnout for any national vote since 1992) voted out. It is a far more representative result than any election, where people vote for a party offering a packet of measures which they may or may not undertake.
I cannot help but think (though cannot be sure) that had the result gone the other way you would not now be seeing Brexiteers clamouring for a re-run. It's done and the government - for a change - needs to act upon the wishes of the people. There is no ambiguity here. It was a specific, straightforward question (which the government framed and asked).
That's the trouble with democracy, Zacs. Not everyone gets what they want. When a Genereal Election is held the government that results from that election is "rained down upon us all" even though, usually, only about a third of the vote went to the party forming that government.
This was a far more democratic outcome. It was a simple "In or Out" question and more than half of those voting (with the highest turnout for any national vote since 1992) voted out. It is a far more representative result than any election, where people vote for a party offering a packet of measures which they may or may not undertake.
I cannot help but think (though cannot be sure) that had the result gone the other way you would not now be seeing Brexiteers clamouring for a re-run. It's done and the government - for a change - needs to act upon the wishes of the people. There is no ambiguity here. It was a specific, straightforward question (which the government framed and asked).
"I cannot help but think (though cannot be sure) that had the result gone the other way you would not now be seeing Brexiteers clamouring for a re-run."
Depends on which Brexiteers you are talking about. Farage was already campaigning for a re-run before the result was announced (and even quoted 52-48 as a margin that would be grounds for hoping for a re-run). As has been mentioned elsewhere, the current petition calling for a second referendum was set up by a Brexit supporter who feared a narrow defeat. So your feelings are, surely, mistaken in general.
On AB, though, I don't think anyone has personally stood up in support of a second referendum. I think most of us on the Brexit side have accepted the result but are now concerned about the fallout. Here, at least, I think you would have been right had the positions been reversed.
Depends on which Brexiteers you are talking about. Farage was already campaigning for a re-run before the result was announced (and even quoted 52-48 as a margin that would be grounds for hoping for a re-run). As has been mentioned elsewhere, the current petition calling for a second referendum was set up by a Brexit supporter who feared a narrow defeat. So your feelings are, surely, mistaken in general.
On AB, though, I don't think anyone has personally stood up in support of a second referendum. I think most of us on the Brexit side have accepted the result but are now concerned about the fallout. Here, at least, I think you would have been right had the positions been reversed.
I should also add that one of the trending stories on Thursday was about how people should use pen to vote, for fear of MI5 changing results using the sophisticated technique of rubbing their pencil votes out. Obviously total nonsense, in the event, but those people would have been up in arms had they been on the losing side.
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