What D'you Think Of This ?

[1rovert]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-over-1-000-barristers-053829124.html

[Bazile]

TTT

i suppose it would depend if Ellipsis voted for the incumbent government , wouldn't it ? (but i'm not his spokesperson )

[ToraToraTora]

"Furthermore, and to me the most serious issue, is that of the 4 constituent parts of the UK only 2 voted to leave. That should at least give everyone pause for thought" - err no, despite , assemblies and wooden "parliaments" and gawd knows what other BS talking shops there are, the UK voted decisively to leave. NI and Scotland comprise 8m people, are you really suggesting the other 52 million be overridden by some local variation in voting? Gawd the remainiacs are getting desperate, why don't they emigrate over the channel while they still can?

[ToraToraTora]

elipsis: "But it's dangerous of you (and May) to cite "the wishes of the people" when you don't know what the wishes of all of the people actually are" - yes we do, the ones that cared voted and more voted out. Any that did not vote did not care enough one way or the other, that is their right but we should not concern ourselves with them as clearly this subject is not of interest to them.

[baza]

As I have said before, the majority of those who voted went for exit, those moaning now should have voted in the first place.

[jim360]

There are perhaps a few more who have become interested since then...

The referendum is advisory and so Parliament ought to vote on it really, but under what circumstances can they vote against the result? It should just be a formality.

[Old_Geezer]

How utterly pointless. Did they really not realise that everyone other than they not only knew it wasn't legally binding, even though it should be, but also realised that it was too obvious to keep on about let alone write letters about ? And that it was still morally binding, and that the consequences of abandoning morality to not continue, or even delay with pointless quango investigations, would be horrendous ?

The intelligence required to be a lawyer seems to be incredibly low now-a-days. Remind me never to need to hire one.

[Ellipsis]

> so in the next election elipsis you'd be happy if all those that did not vote were in fact credited to the incumbent government then? right oh! think it through!

This was not an election but a referendum. A 72% turnout may be high for an election but it does not strike me as high for a referendum where the singular outcome is so pivotal and long-lasting.

Here are the actual results of the referendum:

Exit: 37.4%
Remain: 34.7%
Rejected ballots: 0.06%
Did not vote: 27.8%

That's from a total electorate of 46.5 million, which is significantly less than the 65.1 million people who live in the UK. Only 17.4 million of 65.1 million actually voted for Brexit. I'm saying nothing about what this means, except that you have to be very careful about citing "the wishes of the people" when relying on such flimsy numbers.

[Kathyan]

OK then Ellipsis, it was the wishes of the people who actually turned out to vote! Is that better?

[ToraToraTora]

how do you know how those that did not vote would have voted? Clearly they did not care about the outcome and can be disregarded.

[Ellipsis]

As I said, I'm saying nothing except that you have to be very careful about citing "the wishes of the people" - because if you really believed in the wishes of the people, and it turned out that the majority of the people did not agree with you, then you may find it upsetting ...

[ToraToraTora]

"the wishes of the people that cared enough to vote" - is that better?

[TWR]

I voted "out" the Country should except & listen to the people that voted, hard luck if you did not make the effort to vote, what will be before us, let it happen, at least we will not be dictated to by a load of clowns.

[retrocop]

We would never know what the wishes of all the people are if they cant be bothered to vote. It always works that way.They blew their opportunity and now bleat. Tough. Get in it to win it and the majority proved their serious resolve to leave . The lethargic,complacent remainers didn't show enthusiasm for the future of the UK and lost.!!!!

[Ellipsis]

> "the wishes of the people that cared enough to vote" - is that better?

Better, but not perfect. The results expressed as a percentage of the population were as follows:

Not allowed to vote: 28.6%
Leave: 26.7%
Remain: 24.8%
Did not vote: 19.9%
Rejected ballots: 0.04%

So, "the wishes of the people that cared enough to vote and were allowed to vote" would be strictly accurate, but more people weren't allowed to vote than voted for Brexit - mainly children, prisoners and immigrants, I assume.

The simple fact is that nobody has an idea what the majority of people in this country actually want, so it should not be used as an argument one way or the other. I would say it's a fair guess that people who didn't vote, if they'd been forced to vote (i.e. voting mandatory as in Australia) would have voted more for "doing nothing" i.e. remaining, rather than leaving. We'll never know for sure, but there was clearly a greater imperative for "doing something" than "doing nothing".

[retrocop]

I don't threaten people and especially medical staff but when I was in hospital just prior to the vote I made it abundantly clear to the nurses and consultants that my bed would be vacant for about 35 mins and my wife was on standby with vehicle and overcoat to aid/abet my escape. I knew my vote did count though annieasquith said it wouldn't and I also knew I would never get this chance to leave the EU in my lifetime. I voted and so could others if they could be bothered and genuinely serious of the outcome.

[ToraToraTora]

gawd help us elipsis, the current law is clear If you want to start another thread on voting rights be my guest. Under the law the electorate is defined, some chose not to vote. we do not know how those npot allowed to vote would have voted anymore than we know how those that chose not to vote. You can't scratch around after every vote for "might haves" / "would haves" . There was not a "doing nothing" other than the status quo so again you are saying that those that did not vote are remains? so why did they not vote and make sure?

[Ellipsis]

I don't know TTT. I voted!

All I'm saying is don't assume or claim that more than half the country wants Brexit, i.e. that it is "the wishes of the people".

[Peter Pedant]

// Gawd the remainiacs are getting desperate, why don't they emigrate over the channel while they still can?//

no I think the Brexiters are econtinuing to be delusional

The lawyers are saying invoking art 50 is not what a prime minister does, it is what parliament in London does

altho it is debatable - there was all this guff over Maastricht which went thro parliament. and they are saying to get out it has to go thro parliament

stop frothing 3T....you might do yourself an injury you might

[naomi24]

For goodness sake! How long are the sort of arguments that Ellipsis is raising going to continue? The majority of the people who voted elected to ‘Leave’. Like it or not that really should be the end of it.

[ToraToraTora]

It's the wishes of the people allowed and who could be bothered. The rest are irrelevant, end of. We the people voted brexit, it is the governments job to get us out, ASAP, end of. Parliament will invoke A50, whipped if necessary the New PM has plenty + those brexiters not in the Tories, this will happen. No amount of whining sour grapery will prevent it.