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French Police Order Muslim Woman To Remove Her Burkini On Packed Nice Beach.
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Whether or not one agrees with this, the woman should have known the law, just as a bikini wearing Western woman should know an Islamic country's laws.
Whether or not one agrees with this, the woman should have known the law, just as a bikini wearing Western woman should know an Islamic country's laws.
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People are forgetting that the situation is tense in the south of France, France gnerally in fact. Only a few weeks ago a murderer with possible Islamist motives drove a lorry through a crowd of people in Nice. I don't blame the authorities for wanting to minimise overt displays of affiliation to Islam in a French seaside resort at the current time. The...
11:03 Wed 24th Aug 2016
Andy...(11:11)...again I agree.
The current fad for tattoos is responsible for a lot of women, and men, looking ridiculous in my opinion, especially what is known as a "full sleeve " on women. It will look like scar tissue in a few years time.
But I wouldn't agree with any law that stopped people from exposing themselves after having a tattoo done. For a start, any law would be unenforceable, as the French Police will find with this "banning the Burkini"
nonsense.
The current fad for tattoos is responsible for a lot of women, and men, looking ridiculous in my opinion, especially what is known as a "full sleeve " on women. It will look like scar tissue in a few years time.
But I wouldn't agree with any law that stopped people from exposing themselves after having a tattoo done. For a start, any law would be unenforceable, as the French Police will find with this "banning the Burkini"
nonsense.
Old_Geezer - //Ah but one learns the norms of a society from what one is taught as a child, so how free is the feeling that one needs to wear such a garment ? Granted that problem cuts across all one's values; but this excess modesty one included. //
I can't answer that - it is based on a culture I do not live in, so I don't know what the thinking and motives are. But that does not necessarily make them wrong, or a result of domination.
Similarly, I don't understand why hugely obese men and women parade their tattooed sunburned ugly flesh for all the world to see at the merest hint of sunshine - and that is a culture I live in!
Not understanding leads to fear, and fear leads to anger, and anger leads to a demand to change - but that does not make it right.
I can't answer that - it is based on a culture I do not live in, so I don't know what the thinking and motives are. But that does not necessarily make them wrong, or a result of domination.
Similarly, I don't understand why hugely obese men and women parade their tattooed sunburned ugly flesh for all the world to see at the merest hint of sunshine - and that is a culture I live in!
Not understanding leads to fear, and fear leads to anger, and anger leads to a demand to change - but that does not make it right.
Khandro....( 11:21 )...this is just common sense, sometimes not very widespread here on AB !
As I am not a young man any longer, I don't even wear shorts thsedays, as I am not sure anybody deserves to see my fat, white legs !
Anyway, just what is the difference between a Burkini and a non-bikini swimming suit ?
In the eye of the beholder methinks !
As I am not a young man any longer, I don't even wear shorts thsedays, as I am not sure anybody deserves to see my fat, white legs !
Anyway, just what is the difference between a Burkini and a non-bikini swimming suit ?
In the eye of the beholder methinks !
"Victorian ladies used to wear very similar bathing garments."
Fair enough. But we've moved on from that, now mocked, form of modesty. Maybe one can view this as the Muslim women simply being helped to do the same, whether they presently approve of it or not, in a society that doesn't like to see a return to those more oppressive times.
Fair enough. But we've moved on from that, now mocked, form of modesty. Maybe one can view this as the Muslim women simply being helped to do the same, whether they presently approve of it or not, in a society that doesn't like to see a return to those more oppressive times.
“Muslim women may choose through modesty to keep themselves unseen by any men but their husbands.”
There’s a considerable difference between keeping themselves “unseen” and swaddling their bodies from head to foot in what are clearly garments inspired by the doctrines of a religion and which are totally unsuited to a Mediterranean beach in August.
We need to cut to the chase instead of peddling legal niceties. Having seen many of their citizens blown up, gunned down, stabbed and run over en masse by Muslims the French are none too keen on Islam. They don’t like people roaming around in Islamic garb and they especially don’t like women dressing that way on their beaches. Their action in preventing such apparel will do nothing to curb terrorism but that’s what they want to do. There are plenty of places in the world where Islamic dress is acceptable on beaches (if the women are allowed to go to the beach at all, that is). The best thing these women can do is make some enquiries as to where their dress may be more acceptable.
There’s a considerable difference between keeping themselves “unseen” and swaddling their bodies from head to foot in what are clearly garments inspired by the doctrines of a religion and which are totally unsuited to a Mediterranean beach in August.
We need to cut to the chase instead of peddling legal niceties. Having seen many of their citizens blown up, gunned down, stabbed and run over en masse by Muslims the French are none too keen on Islam. They don’t like people roaming around in Islamic garb and they especially don’t like women dressing that way on their beaches. Their action in preventing such apparel will do nothing to curb terrorism but that’s what they want to do. There are plenty of places in the world where Islamic dress is acceptable on beaches (if the women are allowed to go to the beach at all, that is). The best thing these women can do is make some enquiries as to where their dress may be more acceptable.
mikey4444
/// Like I said, some people just want to be offended and go out of the way to do so. ///
It is not about anyone being offended, it happens to be the law in that particular part of France, a part that has recently witnessed a horrendous terrorist attack, an attack carried out in the name of Islam.
Therefore isn't it little wonder that Muslims are not particularly held in very high esteem at the moment?
And it is like Naomi said this particular type of beachwear is classed by some as a type of uniform, so the last thing these victims of Islamic terrorism want is for Islam to be thrust in front of their faces.
And yes there are many laws that some disagree with, but in general they are brought out to suit the majority and if the minority object, tough.
I remember a time when one wasn't allowed to wear shorts in Spain, but that was the law of the land and we obeyed it.
/// Like I said, some people just want to be offended and go out of the way to do so. ///
It is not about anyone being offended, it happens to be the law in that particular part of France, a part that has recently witnessed a horrendous terrorist attack, an attack carried out in the name of Islam.
Therefore isn't it little wonder that Muslims are not particularly held in very high esteem at the moment?
And it is like Naomi said this particular type of beachwear is classed by some as a type of uniform, so the last thing these victims of Islamic terrorism want is for Islam to be thrust in front of their faces.
And yes there are many laws that some disagree with, but in general they are brought out to suit the majority and if the minority object, tough.
I remember a time when one wasn't allowed to wear shorts in Spain, but that was the law of the land and we obeyed it.
People are forgetting that the situation is tense in the south of France, France gnerally in fact.
Only a few weeks ago a murderer with possible Islamist motives drove a lorry through a crowd of people in Nice.
I don't blame the authorities for wanting to minimise overt displays of affiliation to Islam in a French seaside resort at the current time.
The would-be burkini wearers should blame the terrorists for the current climate of mistrust rather than seeking to inflame the situation just to make a point. This must be what they are doing, as they have to be well aware of the law - it's had enough publicity after all.
Only a few weeks ago a murderer with possible Islamist motives drove a lorry through a crowd of people in Nice.
I don't blame the authorities for wanting to minimise overt displays of affiliation to Islam in a French seaside resort at the current time.
The would-be burkini wearers should blame the terrorists for the current climate of mistrust rather than seeking to inflame the situation just to make a point. This must be what they are doing, as they have to be well aware of the law - it's had enough publicity after all.
People are forgetting that the situation is tense in the south of France, France gnerally in fact.
Only a few weeks ago a murderer with possible Islamist motives drove a lorry through a crowd of people in Nice.
I don't blame the authorities for wanting to minimise overt displays of affiliation to Islam in a French seaside resort at the current time.
The would-be burkini wearers should blame the terrorists for the current climate of mistrust rather than seeking to inflame the situation just to make a point. This must be what they are doing, as they have to be well aware of the law - it's had enough publicity after all.
Only a few weeks ago a murderer with possible Islamist motives drove a lorry through a crowd of people in Nice.
I don't blame the authorities for wanting to minimise overt displays of affiliation to Islam in a French seaside resort at the current time.
The would-be burkini wearers should blame the terrorists for the current climate of mistrust rather than seeking to inflame the situation just to make a point. This must be what they are doing, as they have to be well aware of the law - it's had enough publicity after all.
It's not only for Muslim women naomi, though I wouldn't suggest you get one;
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Whilst understanding the state of flux following terror incidents I can't see this as helpful at all.
Woman forced to wear a garment against her will - Wrong.
Woman disallowed from wearing a garment by law - Wrong.
Both above with common decency in mind.
I see this as laying down more problems, not solving any.
Woman forced to wear a garment against her will - Wrong.
Woman disallowed from wearing a garment by law - Wrong.
Both above with common decency in mind.
I see this as laying down more problems, not solving any.
These ladies need sorting out too:
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