French Police Order Muslim Woman To Remove Her Burkini On Packed Nice Beach.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3754395/Wealthy-Algerian-promises-pay-penalty-Muslim-woman-fined-France-wearing-burkini.html

Whether or not one agrees with this, the woman should have known the law, just as a bikini wearing Western woman should know an Islamic country's laws.

[ChillDoubt]

mikey,

Have a good read of the WHOLE article, not just the first paragraph, it'll leave you far more enlightened:

http://www.france24.com/en/20160815-corsica-tense-burkini-beach-brawl-france-muslim-islam

[ToraToraTora]

let's take a step back shall we, some interesting points made, Motley, the phase is "none so blind as those that WILL not see" - ie refusal to acknowledge a point even if we disagree. I will defend my old sparring partner mikey a little here as basically the French have found a way to create an unenforceable law based on what they say is a particular garment. So if my Mrs turns up in jogging bottoms and top then is she going to be made to strip off? Nope! Clearly this is the French getting angry with Islam as it has a right to be. Also as YMB rightly says these women must know how hurt the French are by the activities of their religious extremists so stop stirring the SH. If you want to live in a western country then don't try and turn it into where you came from.

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - //Surrounded by police, and for what?
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Possibly her own safety for flouting(in a region that recently witnessed horror on an unimaginable scale in the name of Islam) a well-publicised recent law where local tensions are high?
4) Zacs beat me to it...... //

If you really think that the French, who have lived with their large Muslim population for decades, suddenly see a woman wearing Muslim dress as a 'threat' or a 'reminder', then you underestimate the civilisation and simple willingness to be tolerant that is a feature of the French.

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, 1 to 4 – excuses.

For what? Because according to BBC news this morning, contrary to popular belief this ban isn’t solely about the burkini - it’s actually a ban on all visible religious symbolism. I wonder why this woman flouted the law?

[THEMOTLEY1]

// If you want to live in a western country then don't try and turn it into where you came from//
Sums it up nicely tbh, no need for all the flowery carp about Mrs TTT

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //If you want to live in a western country then don't try and turn it into where you came from. //

In that case, you'd better shut every 'Irish' pub on the Costa, and all the bars where Brits drink themselves incapable every night of the summer!

One nation can accept the differences of another in something as simple as dress without having an attack of the vapours!

[ToraToraTora]

I like carp, lovely fish!

[Mamyalynne]

ChillDoubt, it's interesting you post re that case - it didn't gain much response here a few days ago.


http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1508610.html

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //If you really think that the French, who have lived with their large Muslim population for decades, suddenly see a woman wearing Muslim dress as a 'threat' or a 'reminder'...//

It's not about threats or reminders. As has been said it's about integration.

[ToraToraTora]

"In that case, you'd better shut every 'Irish' pub on the Costa, and all the bars where Brits drink themselves incapable every night of the summer!" - well perhaps when they start hacking the locals to death for not liking Guinness eh Andy.

[naomi24]

ChillDoubt, I hadn't seen that link before. Poor Europe.

[mikey4444]

TTT....Unless Mrs TTT has suddenly converted to Islam, then it is difficult to see why she would be treated this way !

But a point well made....the Police are trying to enforce a unenforceable law, just to please a few people who want to be outraged. Its a sticking plaster being applied, that all.

[MallyJ]

This law purports to be about overt religious symbolism ..... the burkini is seen to be an overt sign of a persons religion ....so now we will expect to see Jewish men and nuns similarly told to remove overt signs of their religions.... that will be interesting.

[ChillDoubt]

If you really think that the French, who have lived with their large Muslim population for decades, suddenly see a woman wearing Muslim dress as a 'threat' or a 'reminder', then you underestimate the civilisation and simple willingness to be tolerant that is a feature of the French.
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I didn't say she was a threat, andy. I was merely pointing out that by her actions she no doubt garnered more than a little attention and the Gendarmes may have attended and advised her of the situat ion and requested her to leave before matters escalated, but don't let your usual view through those rose-tinted specs blinker you from recent events in France!

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //"In that case, you'd better shut every 'Irish' pub on the Costa, and all the bars where Brits drink themselves incapable every night of the summer!" - well perhaps when they start hacking the locals to death for not liking Guinness eh Andy. //

No, they don't hack the locals to death, but they do behave seriously violently with depressing frequency - and you know your point is not a valid one.

I am illustrating the rank stupidity of coming down on an entire culture because of the actions of a tiny minority of extremists, and the bizarre notion that enforcing a dress code on them in some way makes things better for everybody.

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - // didn't say she was a threat, andy. I was merely pointing out that by her actions she no doubt garnered more than a little attention and the Gendarmes may have attended and advised her of the situat ion and requested her to leave before matters escalated, but don't let your usual view through those rose-tinted specs blinker you from recent events in France! //

I see it differently.

Some people may have noticed this woman, and yes, she is breaking the law, and that is not in dispute, but if anyone in the surrounding five hundred square yards hadn't noticed her, they soon would when four (Four!) armed gendarmes came and stood over her with their hands on their hips.

Maybe just one, to wander over, bend down and have a quiet word, would have had the same effect?

[ChillDoubt]

then you underestimate the civilisation and simple willingness to be tolerant that is a feature of the French.
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Again, after what has happened recently in Paris and Nice it's now patently obvious that such tolerance has now worn thin.....in fact I'd hazard a guess that it's threadbare:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-sees-millionaire-exodus-religious-tensions-rise-1552423

[naomi24]

Mikey, do you ever listen to anyone else?

[THEMOTLEY1]

Of course he doesn't.

[Mamyalynne]

Nor does anyone else.