Top Judge Overturns France's Burkini Ban!

[ladybirder]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3759938/France-s-administrative-court-overturns-burkini-ban.html

Wow!

[ChillDoubt]

Well mikey, opinions suggest support for them is rising Europe-wide, I'm just reading the writing on the wall.
And whilst judges make silly decisions against wider(French) public opinion.....

[ichkeria]

I would have said 'inevitable' as it was one of the more ridiculous bans of our time. But the French are funny about things like that.
Not that funny tho it seems

[sp1814]

naomi24

Better to dictate to these women at gunpoint how they should dress?

Has anyone actually asked these women what they want to do?

Aren't we acting as oppressors too?

[mikey4444]

Chili...I have warned against the rise of the far right in Europe many, many times here on AB,although I have normally been treated with derision when I do.

We can't take our eye off the ball for 5 mins, or we will wake up one day to find them in charge of Europe again. Vigilance is the key !

[andy-hughes]

Those who believe that Islam represents the end of the world as we know it (when they finally get around to actually doing something about it that is!) are extremely fond of telling us that Muslim women are all subjugated by their men and forced to wear horrible clothing which they hate because they have no choice.

I have continually put forward the view that maybe (and I don't know this, but that's the beauty of not being an 'expert', I'm not required to know!) - just maybe, Muslim women enjoy a sense of modesty and prefer not to be exposed to men in public, simply because that is what makes them feel more comfortable.

It's just an opinion.

[hc4361]

Nigella Lawson wore one. I can see it being a useful garment for those that wish to bathe in the sea and enjoy the beach but have very sensitive skin, skin cancer or skin grafts.

[ChillDoubt]

Vigilance mikey? Maybe you need to ask yourself WHY they're on the rise!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/22/world/europe/europe-right-wing-austria-hungary.html?_r=0

[Mamyalynne]

I saw the Burkini as a step forward, instead of being swathed in yards of voluminous fabric, to wear something more casual and suited to the beach or pool whilst still being modest.

It could easily have been the first step towards even more relaxation in these matters - this outlawing has to me set that possibility back a fair way.

Let's hope not.

[Arksided]

Andy Hughes, do you know what irony is?

The lady went to a beach of which she was aware that other people will be wearing suntanning types of clothing. So set off to join them wearing her desired clothing which was to cover herself up, fine... the irony part that if she'd have worn maybe the same attire no-one would have batted an eyelid. As her clothes were not 'provocative' would not have kicked up all this fuss.. all she wanted was a nap on the beach and not incite attraction to herself.

Hope I explained that well enough for you to understand.

[Mamyalynne]

My Granddad would sit with a jacket on and his flat cap, he did agree to roll up his trouser legs to the knee though.

[Arksided]

Mamya, I love the idea. I think the lady in question was insensitive to the recent happenings in France for whatever reason that might be.

[andy-hughes]

Arksided - //Andy Hughes, do you know what irony is?

The lady went to a beach of which she was aware that other people will be wearing suntanning types of clothing. So set off to join them wearing her desired clothing which was to cover herself up, fine... the irony part that if she'd have worn maybe the same attire no-one would have batted an eyelid. As her clothes were not 'provocative' would not have kicked up all this fuss.. all she wanted was a nap on the beach and not incite attraction to herself.

Hope I explained that well enough for you to understand. //

I did respond your post about double meanings, but I now see that it hasn't come up on here.

What I said was, if your post was ironic, I apologise for missing it - a constant risk with communicating in print only.

I also said that I was really annoyed with myself because if I had read it correctly, I would have saluted you for a fine piece or ironic commentary.

So, yes, I do know what irony is!

There are so many doom and gloomers on here, it's really easy to miss genuine humour - it's in seriously short supply on threads that may include the word 'Muslim' anywhere!!

[Arksided]

Sorry for the patronising post Andy, I thought maybe you'd had being so enthralled with the story you'd lost sight of a little humor.

[andy-hughes]

Arksided - //Sorry for the patronising post Andy, I thought maybe you'd had being so enthralled with the story you'd lost sight of a little humor. //

Not a problem at all. I one-hundred-per-cent missed the irony in your post, and I try always to keep my humour antenna tuned up - I could never get through a day on here without it!!!

[Bazile]

Just as a matter of interest - why are such clothing usually black ?

[agchristie]

The French authorities have now stopped sheep travelling in Italian manufacfured vehicles.

It's a Lamburkini ban.

[hc4361]

Bazile, this company sells them in a black/jade combo as well as plain black.

My guess is they are mainly black so they don't become transparent when wet, and lighter shades might

[Bazile]

hc4361

You might have something there .

Thinking about it - black 'colour' absorbs more light , and reflects less

[naomi24]

SP, //Better to dictate to these women at gunpoint how they should dress?//

At gunpoint? Oh please!! French police carry guns - but nothing like a touch of added drama for effect!

//Has anyone actually asked these women what they want to do?//

I can’t claim to have asked all ‘these women’, but I have asked a countless number of them in various countries around the world - and in fact I have a rather nice photograph (which modesty prevents me from posting here) of me with a couple of classes of Egyptian teenage schoolgirls, all of whom continue to cover their heads (because the Koran says they must) but all of whom have voluntarily abandoned the standard hijab in favour of jaunty and fashionable little hats. They’re getting there – but that’s no thanks to people who well-meaningly, but misguidedly, support the imposition of restrictive and long out-dated religious foibles. By defending the ‘right’ of Muslim women to wear distinctly Islamic clothing you are in effect condoning their on-going suppression – and that does those who don’t have the freedom to choose no favours whatsoever. It does, however, delight the men who control them.

[ichkeria]

I think lots of people go to the beach with swimwear that they hope will catch people's attention (!)
Not sure any of that matters in the light of the rather daft attempt to ban one particular thing. Knee jerk gesture politics, which has really only served to make the PM looked silly