Gay Men Convicted Of Now-Abolished Sex Offences To Be Pardoned

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37711518

And not before time, in my humble opinion !

[naomi24]

ummmm, As far as I can see seven posters have contributed to this page alone. Stop telling people what to do. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

[EDDIE51]

What are peoples views on those convicted and executed for 'cowardice' during the war who we now know were just suffering from post traumatic stress disorder ( shell shock). Do you consider them to still be criminals now that they have been pardoned ?

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// AOG - Until such a time as any conviction is expunged from their 'record' they do have to declare it. ///

Thank you.

/// Fortunately, not many of them are still likely to be seeking employment... ///

I don't think that seeking employment is the only reason one has to declare whether or not one has a criminal conviction.

[naomi24]

aog, //naomi24

They haven't been officially pardoned yet.

I was referring to those who were charged before this purposed pardon kicks in.//

If I understand the question correctly those who have been charged will be pardoned.

[ummmm]

No, Eddie. What happened to them was horrendous. I'm so glad that in this day and age we can appreciate that horrific events can have a devastating affect on mental health.

[anotheoldgit]

EDDIE51

Interesting to note that it is only 10 years since they were given full pardons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1526437/Pardoned-the-306-soldiers-shot-at-dawn-for-cowardice.html

[naomi24]

Eddie, I’m guessing that post-traumatic stress disorder wasn’t recognised in those days. Of course they’re not criminals.

[jackthehat]

///I don't think that seeking employment is the only reason one has to declare whether or not one has a criminal conviction.///

No, not the only reason, but it will have had an impact on those who were seeking employment when they were younger.

[ummmm]

Lol, Naomi, "stop telling people what to do" and telling me to go elsewhere...classic.

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - //Andy and Naomi...just stop answering each other and give us all a break!

We could all get more involved with debates if it wasn't for your 'I have to have the last word' nonsense.

The site is becoming the 'Naomi and Andy show' //

I am sorry you feel that way

But - and I have made this point before - you and everyone else has exactly the same ability to join in the debate as Naomi and I, and everyone else.

It is not the House of Commons, where I can shout louder than you, and therefore only my voice is heard - it's an internet debate site, and your post will be as available as mine.

I dispute that anyone does not join in simply because Naomi and I do enjoy debating with each other on some issues - I suggest people will post if they wish, and not if they don't, unaffected by anyone else's input.

[andy-hughes]

Eddie - //What are peoples views on those convicted and executed for 'cowardice' during the war who we now know were just suffering from post traumatic stress disorder ( shell shock). Do you consider them to still be criminals now that they have been pardoned ? //

I would not consider anyone who has been pardoned to still be a criminal.

This is a somewhat different scenario given that all the involved individuals are, by definition, deceased, so any retrospective actions are pertinent only to their families, not to them directly, as in the case we are discussing.

[naomi24]

ummmm, I'm not telling you what to do. I said 'if you don't like it'. See? That's a choice. I don't know what your problem is.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi

/// If I understand the question correctly those who have been charged will be pardoned. ///

I don't think you fully understand me.

I am talking about any declarations they have to make or will have to make, before they are pardoned.

[Togo]

//No, not the only reason, but it will have had an impact on those who were seeking employment when they were younger. //

Ay up....com pen say shun claims on the horizon. All lawyers on red alert for another pay day fest, and large ones all round.

[naomi24]

aog, //I am talking about any declarations they have to make or will have to make, before they are pardoned. //

Sorry, I'm really not with you. What declarations would you expect them to make, or to have to make before they are pardoned?

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

Stop trying to make this thread into a naomi, Andy and ummmm show.

Forgive me for taking on the position of Chairman, or is it Chairperson these days?

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// Sorry, I'm really not with you. What declarations would you expect them to make, or to have to make before they are pardoned? ///

As already stated:

"Have you any previous criminal convictions"?

What would a previously convicted homosexual put prior to being pardoned?

Yes or No?

[naomi24]

aog, ah, I see. Well, I'm guessing that until a pardon is formally issued, the criminal conviction stands and so they would have to declare it.

[jackthehat]

AOG - Since homosexuality was decriminalised, no man has been unfortunate enough to have been prosecuted simply for 'being' gay, that is why it is only elderly men who are still carrying this conviction around. It will have impacted their lives since that time......

[jno]

I agree with dannyk, pardons are appropriate, and while it won't do the likes of Turing much good, it will remove an unwarranted stain from their life stories.