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How much more common will this be in Britain in years to come?
How much more common will this be in Britain in years to come?
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I fear for the once beautiful country in which I was born. Make no mistake that In 50 years time, this country will be ruled by Muslims and the national faith will be Islam. That is of course unless we wake up and prevent this from happening, one can only hope, for the good of the future's young.
09:59 Thu 03rd Nov 2016
"Lunol, //Have any of you actually been there and experienced this //
No, I haven't. Have you?
Not that particular area but I will ask around the next time I'm in the area with a view of visiting the area and seeing whether it's true or as I suspect "Waffle"
This from Wiki:
I wouldn't take everything from wiki as "Gospel" as you do realise that you,I or the comedy writer who wrote the farcitcle can edit it to suit our own agendas don't you?
No, I haven't. Have you?
Not that particular area but I will ask around the next time I'm in the area with a view of visiting the area and seeing whether it's true or as I suspect "Waffle"
This from Wiki:
I wouldn't take everything from wiki as "Gospel" as you do realise that you,I or the comedy writer who wrote the farcitcle can edit it to suit our own agendas don't you?
"I think the reporter (euse) may have been lost though, Whalley Range isn't in Blackburn"
Are you serious Khandro?
Can we trust a reporter who doesn't even know what geographical location she's meant to be reporting about even though she has a large budget, a lot of resources and doesn't even research her work even though she probably gets paid a kings ransom for doing so.
Incompetent? If true, It beggars belief but is no surprise.
Are you serious Khandro?
Can we trust a reporter who doesn't even know what geographical location she's meant to be reporting about even though she has a large budget, a lot of resources and doesn't even research her work even though she probably gets paid a kings ransom for doing so.
Incompetent? If true, It beggars belief but is no surprise.
Lunol - thank you for your comment.
I am sure by now you have realised that you will not win any argument on this subject.
You are up against people who believe that their reading about Islam equates with the notion that they must know more than you, or indeed I, and our lack of knowledge will always be used as a default brickbat to dismiss any thoughts or opinions expressed.
Once you understand that, you can save valuable time by simply not offering a view, because you will be denied that simply option because you will be advised that you don't know enough to be able to comment, and therefore you are causing a deal of discontent to those who know better.
Unless you are like me, and you believe that you have a right to say what you think - the same as anyone else - in which case, come on it, the water's lovely!
I am sure by now you have realised that you will not win any argument on this subject.
You are up against people who believe that their reading about Islam equates with the notion that they must know more than you, or indeed I, and our lack of knowledge will always be used as a default brickbat to dismiss any thoughts or opinions expressed.
Once you understand that, you can save valuable time by simply not offering a view, because you will be denied that simply option because you will be advised that you don't know enough to be able to comment, and therefore you are causing a deal of discontent to those who know better.
Unless you are like me, and you believe that you have a right to say what you think - the same as anyone else - in which case, come on it, the water's lovely!
Lunol, Here’s an article from the Spectator that might interest you. Yes, I know it’s written by a journalist – Ron Liddle – but bear with him. He’s very experienced.
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Thanks for the link Naomi but "the Spectator"???
Sounds a little right wing and I've never heard of it but will read it later when I get back in. The journalist Ron Liddle? He's not related to the comedian who wrote the daily mail farcitcle is he? Well I'll do a little research on him as well as the paper later.
Sounds a little right wing and I've never heard of it but will read it later when I get back in. The journalist Ron Liddle? He's not related to the comedian who wrote the daily mail farcitcle is he? Well I'll do a little research on him as well as the paper later.
Lunol - allow me to save you a little time -
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Lunol, You’ve never heard of the ‘Spectator’? Goodness! I’ve no idea who Ron Liddle is related to, but among many other things he was a speech writer and researcher for the Labour Party, he’s written for The Sunday Times and the Guardian, and he’s the former editor of the BBC’s Today programme. Depending upon the angle his readers are coming from, he is considered to be both controversial and hard-hitting, but inexperienced he isn’t.
andy-hughes, you have demonstrated over the years that you have great knowledge of the music industry. I, on the other hand have not studied or been involved in that industry and for those reasons it seems logical to me that I should accept your statements on music and musicians. Why do you not accept the word of someone with a superior knowledge of religion, a subject you have admitted to know nothing about?
Vulcan - I have repeated this point to distraction, but I am happy to reiterate it once again.
I have no problem with anyone who has deep and wide knowledge of a subject - as you advise, I do myself.
But I never have, and never would infer, or indeed state, that my superior knowledge means that the view of someone else on the subject is invalid, simply because I know more than they do.
Anyone is entitled to an opinion, and to express it, without anyone else scoffing at it, on the basis that their 'knowledge' - which is unproven - means that my opinion must be incorrect.
In conclusion - I completely accept that there are plenty of people on here who know more than I about a vast variety of subjects - Islam included.
But I will not sit still and be constantly reminded that I once long ago admitted my lack of deep knowledge, and therefore, by default, my opinion must be valueless, and I should leave the discussion to those who 'know' about it.
Everyone is entitled to a view, and to express it freely, and not to be scoffed at for lack of knowledge by people who's avowed 'knowledge' does not come equipped with a parallel level of humility, and the ability to allow others to have a view, even if it is uninformed.
If I adopted that attitude, I would be constantly upbraiding people for their 'incorrect' views on music, based on the fact that because I know more than they do, I must be right, and they must be wrong.
That would make me a boorish prig, and I have no wish to be seen as such, because that is not who I am, as anyone on this site who knows me (standard hostile attackers excused of course!) knows well.
I do hope that states my position once again - knowledge is a wonderful thing, but it does not infer self-righteousness and superiority on anyone.
I have no problem with anyone who has deep and wide knowledge of a subject - as you advise, I do myself.
But I never have, and never would infer, or indeed state, that my superior knowledge means that the view of someone else on the subject is invalid, simply because I know more than they do.
Anyone is entitled to an opinion, and to express it, without anyone else scoffing at it, on the basis that their 'knowledge' - which is unproven - means that my opinion must be incorrect.
In conclusion - I completely accept that there are plenty of people on here who know more than I about a vast variety of subjects - Islam included.
But I will not sit still and be constantly reminded that I once long ago admitted my lack of deep knowledge, and therefore, by default, my opinion must be valueless, and I should leave the discussion to those who 'know' about it.
Everyone is entitled to a view, and to express it freely, and not to be scoffed at for lack of knowledge by people who's avowed 'knowledge' does not come equipped with a parallel level of humility, and the ability to allow others to have a view, even if it is uninformed.
If I adopted that attitude, I would be constantly upbraiding people for their 'incorrect' views on music, based on the fact that because I know more than they do, I must be right, and they must be wrong.
That would make me a boorish prig, and I have no wish to be seen as such, because that is not who I am, as anyone on this site who knows me (standard hostile attackers excused of course!) knows well.
I do hope that states my position once again - knowledge is a wonderful thing, but it does not infer self-righteousness and superiority on anyone.
// "the Spectator"???
Sounds a little right wing and I've never heard of it but will read it later when I get back in. The journalist Ron Liddle? He's not related to the comedian who wrote the daily mail farcitcle is he?//
Well whadya know! It takes all sorts to make up the rich tapestry of the AB cast
Sounds a little right wing and I've never heard of it but will read it later when I get back in. The journalist Ron Liddle? He's not related to the comedian who wrote the daily mail farcitcle is he?//
Well whadya know! It takes all sorts to make up the rich tapestry of the AB cast
This isn’t about Islam per se, or about superior knowledge or otherwise, but about the impact that the growing population of Islam is having upon this country. That said, in response to andy-hughes’ increasingly repetitive complaints, and just as an analogy, since he is not a maths teacher, for obvious reasons I wouldn’t ask him to mentor me in that subject – but, again for obvious reasons, neither would I expect him to claim that his ability in that area is just as valid as that of a mathematician. No one is preventing anyone from expressing an opinion, but if that opinion is demonstrably incorrect, the holder shouldn’t be surprised – or miffed - when other people challenge it. Now perhaps we can concentrate on the subject of the OP.
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