Another Europhile Calling Brexiteers Stupid"

[lindapalmara]

Of course this bloke has never been elected into Politics. How the hell did he get into the House of Lords? Oh yes, he helped write the Lisbon Treaty! That says it all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/18/pro-eu-peer-lord-kerr-says-uk-needs-migration-because-britons-ar/

[Zacs-Master]

NJ, it's also hypothetical whether we'd be better off out but the majority of those who voted think otherwise. Helluva way to test a theory.

[Togo]

The predictions for the World's top 5 economies for 2020 are thus.
1 China
2 USA
3 India
4 Japan
5 Russia
Now are we better to trade directly and without interference from the EU inward looking self serving elite, who take the lions share for themselves. Or as an independent and thriving global economy with the autonomy to make our own trade deals and thereby reaping the long term rewards?

[Zacs-Master]

The EU have no say in us trading with any countries outside their member states. We already do quite a lot of business with the countries you mention and you may like to look up the import / export figures for some of them, especially China!

[lindapalmara]

//One of my favourite questions (and I don't claim authorship) is, if you were outside of the European Union, would you vote to join it?//

Never, never, never

Togo

We all know now how predictions turn out!!! Just look at "Project Fear"

[THECORBYLOON]

He was in the House of Lords a few years before he was involved in writing the Treaty so there is no connexion between the two.

[lindapalmara]

Cornyloon

Quote from above link:

//The former Secretary General of the European Convention told an event on Thursday that the Leave campaign only won by "cleverly outsourcing xenophobia and racism" to the Ukip leader Nigel Farage.//

"The Former Secretary General of the Euopean Convention" . Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!!

And as for accusing people of Zenophobia, look at the Labour Party. I am no fan of Farage but he did bring us the Referendum.

[New Judge]

“NJ, it's also hypothetical whether we'd be better off out but the majority of those who voted think otherwise. Helluva way to test a theory.”

It’s also hypothetical whether we’d be better of remaining, so the same argument applies.

“The EU have no say in us trading with any countries outside their member states.”

Not correct, Zacs. Only the EU can negotiate trade agreements on our behalf. For countries where no trading agreement is in place our membership of the EU’s “customs union” means that we must impose whatever tariffs are determined by the EU. So, if the UK wants to buy our widgets from Outer Mongolia and the EU sees fit to impose a 50% tariff on then then a 50% tariff applies (even though we may be the only nation in the EU importing widgets and might prefer not to see such a tariff in place).

[Zacs-Master]

Must had had a rush of blood to the head there NJ (or I meant something entirely different and expressed it poorly).

[ichkeria]

Those figures quoted by Togo, for what it's worth, come if I'm not mistaken from some rather outdated predictions from 2013

[Old_Geezer]

It isn't hypothetical that being out of the EU returns sovereignty to us, and that without sovereignty a nation isn't really a nation but simply an area within something larger that dictates to it.

[Zacs-Master]

That very same sovereignty which has forced a parliamentary vote you mean?

[Peter Pedant]

another europhile calling brexiteers brain dead

reading some of the 'usual' 'every day, solicited or not' answers
what makes you think he is wrong ?

[New Judge]

Yes, quite so, Zacs. A matter entirely for the UK electorate, the UK Parliament and the UK courts. Not, note not for citizens of any other EU nations, any other Parliament or any foreign court.

[Zacs-Master]

Until we trigger A50 NJ, then they can interfere like crazy.

[Old_Geezer]

The vote issue only came up because some couldn't leave things be and are looking for any loophole to prevent progress. Sovereignty has little to do with it.

[New Judge]

I hope you don't include me, Peter. I am by no means "brain dead".

I have researched the EU and its institutions and their effect on the UK considerably. Any decisions I have reached have been formed on the basis of that research and not on the basis of wild, unfounded assumptions or rabid ravings.

I am by no means brain dead.

[New Judge]

“Until we trigger A50 NJ, then they can interfere like crazy.”

Not with our leaving, they cannot, Zacs. As I keep saying, the negotiations are only about our relationship after we have left. If the negotiations break down completely and no agreement is reached on anything, we still leave. Nothing the EU can do will interfere with that.

[Zacs-Master]

OG, if you study the ruling, sovereignty has everything to do with it being implemented under our constitution. Here, do us all a favour and do some studying:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/summary-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf

[Zacs-Master]

And how do you think that (leaving without any agreement) will leave us in the eyes of our European trading partners NJ?

[Old_Geezer]

You do some reading. I have no need to.
I do not recall our parliament taking a vote on whether parliament should discuss the exit before Article 59 is triggered. Maybe you misunderstood, but all that has occurred so far is that judges have given an interpretation on what is required already. But feel free to put folk down who try to inform you where you make errors.