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New Ukip Leader Calls For A Uk Burqa Ban.
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/// You have to look at the other issues surrounding security, because whether we like it or not we are the most watched people in the world. There’s more CCTV in Britain per head than anywhere else on the planet. And for CCTV to be effective you need to see people’s
faces.” ///
Must admit that he has a point.
/// You have to look at the other issues surrounding security, because whether we like it or not we are the most watched people in the world. There’s more CCTV in Britain per head than anywhere else on the planet. And for CCTV to be effective you need to see people’s
faces.” ///
Must admit that he has a point.
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AOG - //andy-hughes
As answerbank's no 1 supporter of the Islamic faith have you ever considered converting to Islam? //
I would dispute that label. I am not a 'supporter' of the Islamic faith, I merely take objection to the endless nasty isalmophobia that manifests itself in the UK media, and on a daily basis on this section.
No I have not considered becoming a Muslim - I cannot 'convert' because I do not have a faith to convert from, I am an atheist.
//Since I believe they worship on Fridays, then I feel sure it wouldn't clash with your Sunday attendance at church with the present Mrs Hughes. //
It wouldn't, but since I don't go to church on Sunday to worship, it would be rather redundant to go to a mosque on Friday and not worship there either.
As answerbank's no 1 supporter of the Islamic faith have you ever considered converting to Islam? //
I would dispute that label. I am not a 'supporter' of the Islamic faith, I merely take objection to the endless nasty isalmophobia that manifests itself in the UK media, and on a daily basis on this section.
No I have not considered becoming a Muslim - I cannot 'convert' because I do not have a faith to convert from, I am an atheist.
//Since I believe they worship on Fridays, then I feel sure it wouldn't clash with your Sunday attendance at church with the present Mrs Hughes. //
It wouldn't, but since I don't go to church on Sunday to worship, it would be rather redundant to go to a mosque on Friday and not worship there either.
> And which of the women who are forced to wear the burka is going to have the courage to complain to the law. They don't have a voice.
That's quite a nihilist position. If it's the case, then how will banning the burqa help? These women simply won't go out.
Where we want to end up is with a more free society, not a less free one. If somebody wants to wear a burqa, they should be allowed to. If they don't want to wear a burqa, they shouldn't have to. You don't beat intolerance with intolerance. That's not setting an example at all. That's coming down to the level of the thing you're disagreeing with.
That's quite a nihilist position. If it's the case, then how will banning the burqa help? These women simply won't go out.
Where we want to end up is with a more free society, not a less free one. If somebody wants to wear a burqa, they should be allowed to. If they don't want to wear a burqa, they shouldn't have to. You don't beat intolerance with intolerance. That's not setting an example at all. That's coming down to the level of the thing you're disagreeing with.
andy-hughes
/// It wouldn't, but since I don't go to church on Sunday to worship, ///
I did not say you worshipped in church, but you have made it clear in the past, that you go along to the Roman Catholic church with the present Mrs Hughes on numerous occasions.
What your stance is when the rest of the congregation, are kneeling, singing or posturing in other ways, one can only guess.
/// It wouldn't, but since I don't go to church on Sunday to worship, ///
I did not say you worshipped in church, but you have made it clear in the past, that you go along to the Roman Catholic church with the present Mrs Hughes on numerous occasions.
What your stance is when the rest of the congregation, are kneeling, singing or posturing in other ways, one can only guess.
“AOG - I think a ban on the burka is high on the agenda of people on here who don't like Muslims”
It’s high on my agenda, Andy, but I do not dislike Muslims. I dislike – intensely – the religion they follow. They may say that amounts to one and the same thing. I would disagree.
“I don't actually believe that Muslims as a whole expect anyone to 'bow to their ways' “
The “quiet, peace-loving” Muslims of whom we often hear (and are peace loving because they do not blow people up or behead them in the same way that I do not) still expect the UK to adapt to Islamic ways. In many respects they have been encouraged to expect it and Naomi has already provided specific examples of this. Other more general examples: the UK allows segregation by gender in circumstances which would not be permitted in any other group; it has given official approval to Sharia courts; it does nothing to discourage the polygamy that is practiced by many Muslim men (a facility not open to the rest of us); it allows women to walk around with face masks on. I could go on. But Muslims in the UK expect all of this and more besides because they have been told it is quite acceptable to behave in the UK as they would in Muslim dominated countries.
“If it's the case, then how will banning the burqa help? These women simply won't go out. “
Then that’s that then. At least they won’t frighten the horses (or offend me) as they currently do.
It’s high on my agenda, Andy, but I do not dislike Muslims. I dislike – intensely – the religion they follow. They may say that amounts to one and the same thing. I would disagree.
“I don't actually believe that Muslims as a whole expect anyone to 'bow to their ways' “
The “quiet, peace-loving” Muslims of whom we often hear (and are peace loving because they do not blow people up or behead them in the same way that I do not) still expect the UK to adapt to Islamic ways. In many respects they have been encouraged to expect it and Naomi has already provided specific examples of this. Other more general examples: the UK allows segregation by gender in circumstances which would not be permitted in any other group; it has given official approval to Sharia courts; it does nothing to discourage the polygamy that is practiced by many Muslim men (a facility not open to the rest of us); it allows women to walk around with face masks on. I could go on. But Muslims in the UK expect all of this and more besides because they have been told it is quite acceptable to behave in the UK as they would in Muslim dominated countries.
“If it's the case, then how will banning the burqa help? These women simply won't go out. “
Then that’s that then. At least they won’t frighten the horses (or offend me) as they currently do.
Ellipsis, // If it's the case, then how will banning the burqa help? These women simply won't go out.//
They will once their husbands realise that they have to do the shopping, school runs, etc. If the reason we are not banning it is because women won’t go out, we’re enabling their men to continue to dominate and subjugate them. Apologists for Islam do these ladies no favours whatsoever. And there are those words again. ‘Tolerance’ and ‘intolerance’. What is it about Islam that you are you happy to tolerate?
They will once their husbands realise that they have to do the shopping, school runs, etc. If the reason we are not banning it is because women won’t go out, we’re enabling their men to continue to dominate and subjugate them. Apologists for Islam do these ladies no favours whatsoever. And there are those words again. ‘Tolerance’ and ‘intolerance’. What is it about Islam that you are you happy to tolerate?
AOG - //What your stance is when the rest of the congregation, are kneeling, singing or posturing in other ways, one can only guess. //
No need to guess - I can tell you.
I follow the Mass insofar as I read the prayers, and sing the hymns, and kneel and stand as everyone else does.
The only things I don't do is take communion (I receive a blessing), I don't cross myself at appropriate times, and I don't bow to the alter as I enter and leave the church, or on occasions when I walk past it from one side of the church to the other.
No need to guess - I can tell you.
I follow the Mass insofar as I read the prayers, and sing the hymns, and kneel and stand as everyone else does.
The only things I don't do is take communion (I receive a blessing), I don't cross myself at appropriate times, and I don't bow to the alter as I enter and leave the church, or on occasions when I walk past it from one side of the church to the other.
> And there are those words again. ‘Tolerance’ and ‘intolerance’.
Yes, these words are the crux of the matter.
I would like to live in a more tolerant society, which I equate with a more peaceful society. I would like everyone to become more rather than less tolerant: Muslims, you, me ... everyone. Even New Judge and his horses.
I can't agree with banning somebody from wearing something that they want to wear. I see forcing someone to not wear a burqa as about as bad as forcing someone to wear one. Both are intolerant attitudes.
However, I can agree with banning somebody from compelling another to wear something they don't want to wear.
Yes, these words are the crux of the matter.
I would like to live in a more tolerant society, which I equate with a more peaceful society. I would like everyone to become more rather than less tolerant: Muslims, you, me ... everyone. Even New Judge and his horses.
I can't agree with banning somebody from wearing something that they want to wear. I see forcing someone to not wear a burqa as about as bad as forcing someone to wear one. Both are intolerant attitudes.
However, I can agree with banning somebody from compelling another to wear something they don't want to wear.
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