If this is proven.........

[nedflanders]

what do you think our response should be?

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[jimmer]

well lets wait and see if it turns out to be true first.

[nedflanders]

jimmer its a hypothetical conversation/question I dont think your opinion will start a war!

[Ward-Minter]

gevs your argument failed when you mentioned "sociological".

As you maybe aware I have fought for this country. Whether that gives me more creedence to the situation is solely down to your politics. I have seen the white of Muslim eyes. I have seen the hate for all things West in their faces. I have taken a bullet from them. And yes, I have killed some.

If all these people, like the awful liar gevs, feel so bad about the war why not go and visit The Middle East yourself??

Easier said than done I know. For starters most wouldn't have the guts. But why not visit some ME freindly state and start harping on about your feelings.

And when the "do-gooding" brigade start wittering on and on about the situation. Try treating your wife like a second class citizen. Cover her face up so no other man can look at her. Give her the odd beating and raping and sew your gay freinds anus's up. Then when you feel you have "sociologically" embraced their culture I'll buy you a drink.  Ooops no I want you will not be allowed to!

gevs get a life, stop lying to impress and show some god given respect to your fellow man and country. If not clear out.

[jimmer]

oh hypothetical, right oh. Errrrrrrr, well, as a loony, lefty dyed in the wald pigeon fancier i say lets try and focus on why these people want to blow up the troops who have invaded their country and attempted to force them - in the manner or a dictator - what to believe. Maybe we could return some of the huge surpluses western economies make on the back of exploiting the third world to the people who work so hard to service our extraordinarily comfortable lives. Maybe we could start to deal with crisis abroad based on humanitarian grounds rather than self interest. once we have a balance in trade and a fair and equitable foreign policy we could start to promote a secular freedom for all people the world over.

Or we could just send in Ward minster to negotiate for us.



jim

[Ward-Minter]

I don't negotiate.

[Gevs1966]

So why am I a liar then Ward-minter?

The sociological points you make there may well be the case in this region of the world but now go and get the hisory lesson and see where this fits in with the other wars you refer to and maybe you will see the point I made.

You cannot possible argue the fact that all war is good by comparing two completely diverse and dramatically different situations. I do not personally agree with the way that women, for example, are treated in a lot of these countries but by advocated a holy war you are just showing yourself up to be an ill educated facist.

End of!

Sorry this legitimate question has been hijacked somewhat ned

[Ward-Minter]

fascist????? interesting point.

As you have stated I reply in "all forums" as a fascist.

I am surprised you have time to come and debate (well try and dictate) on here due to you being so "successful".

Where do I "advocate" a holy war??? It's their term NOT mine.

War can be compared. 1939 British forces are told to fight the enemy.  2005 British forces are told to fight the enemy. Both by elected govts, both with the backing of USA and both for a reason greater than simply "war-mongering"

Of course there are differences you lying fool but the fundaments remain the same. I have fought in 8 offensive tours, do you think I care who is sticking a gun in my face??? I know you would probably receive a white feather in wartime, but hey ho I am a fascist remember.

[snapdharlich]

It doesn't matter what our response should be, Blair will decide for us. Look back at the first fuel crisis a few years back. People protested and nothing happened - This time, not many people protested and it was declared a joke. The government's power is starting to become quite scary.... They will please themselves again and the public will eventually give up, roll over and have its tummy tickled..

[WaldoMcFroog]

WM - Hillarious stuff :-) Keep it up..!

[flashpig]

It really is a pity that bullet you took wasn't fatal.

[Ward-Minter]

flashpig thats nice. I see you are a coward too. I am sure your family are proud.

[Ward-Minter]

PS flashpig I see you have contributed throughout with well informed and critical debate. I am sure the dole office is very proud of you. X

[flashpig]

Ha! You call me a coward? Because I won't kill you personally? Because I won't wish you dead directly?

I have seen the whites of muslim eyes too. They were pretty friendly.

[Ward-Minter]

offer them a pig and tell me they are friendly. i am referring to combat you immature peasant!!

[El D]

I find it disturbing that evidence emerges at such a time
i.e nuclear tension, iraq not going particularly well, bush under fire for his god squad mission etc. Iran is the last of the axis of evil named by bush and we will 'find' more and more evidence against it in the coming weeks I imagine. What Iran has to gain through the murder of a few soldiers while risking its international safety is beyond me.

If however, this is proven to be true, it raises some immensely difficult questions. Bear in mind how overstretched both the UK and US are at present and how impossible the task of subduing a religious nation given to martyrdom would be I personally would try and avoid direct conflict. It's not that we wouldn't win, it's just that 'winning' could never entail the conquest of Iran.

[flashpig]

Hey, idiot. Never been on the dole myself. If you have fought for this country you'll have more of the states money than I have, scrounger.

And I don't see how spending the state's money on ******, and shooting cats on army bases in Wiltshire until you are told to go and kill some foreigners makes you any more mature than the rest of us.

Although from the sound of your writing it sounds like the majority of fighting for your country was done in some Spanish bar with a shaven head, NF tattooed on your arm, and an England shirt pulled over your pot belly.

[WaldoMcFroog]

So WM, (do keep it up, by the way; you do make me chortle), you were in a combat situation with someone and someone on the other side looked at you with something less than brotherly love in their eyes.

What's the chances of that happen, eh?

Stop the front page; WM's got a cracking story: 'Enemies distinctly frosty towards each other on field of battle shocker'...

[WaldoMcFroog]

With regard the actual question, many Middle East experts noted right from the time the Iraq invasion was announced that Iran would inevitably follow and that we would see increasing numbers of diplomatic events that gradually established them as the next bogeyman.

In case you think this is hindsight, incidentally, I know that I wrote in my Blog when Bush was elected in 2004 that an invasion of Iran seemed to me to be increasingly inevitable with that f@ckwit and his PNAC mates back in power. It's also been mentioned on this site before, not by me.

So, I imagine our response will be an ever increasing series of diplomatic incidents that paint the Iranians as ever more evil until it is established that they eat babies and personally flew the planes into the World Trade Center and we're just forced to go and give them some democracy. Great. Can't wait.

[jno]

love it when Washington gets outraged at the idea of foreigners intervening in Iraq. Can't quite put my finger on why, though.

[Ward-Minter]

well thankyou flashpig for your endearing comments. Yep I kill cats and of course the odd dog. Nevermind. This really isn't a forum for insults from some working class child. So I apologise if the thread has been broken by these silly comments.

I suppose I must dash cos I have an article to write on the NF over my pot belly!!  Now that is funny so well done. Hats off.

Actually I am technically still scrounging of the state. A Captain's pension is very nice indeed flash pig. It is cheering to know I earn more sitting on my fat bottom than you do working whatever hours you do. So I thank you endearingly for your kindly donations through our tax system and yyour cleaning job.

PS flashy boy (you wish Mr. ego) I am off to spain soon so I will keep your opinions close to me. Oh, and the shaved head. Never leave home without it.

What a lovely country we live in. Let the peasants revolt.

x and a big X for the flashy one.