If A Christian Couple Can Be Fined For Refusing To Sell Something They Believe Is Against Their Religion Then Why No Action Against This Person?

[youngmafbog]

OK, so IMHO religion is the root of most evil but lets forget that bit because what I am trying to understand is why there seems to be one rule for one and another for a certain other religion we all have to bend ovcer backwards to accommodate?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4070144/Muslim-Tesco-cashier-refuses-sell-bottle-wine-shopper-against-religion.html

[Baldric]

///The employer then placed her in a situation where she would be required to sell alcohol, which she refused to do.///

Nowhere does it say she was moved from her normal workstation, the customer turned up at her Kiosk with Alcohol among his purchases.

[TWR]

Has anyone checked how many Items on a Supermarket shelf contain Alcohols?

[andy-hughes]

TWR - //A.H/ Bull ST, she should have found another job. //

Why should she? Her employers were perfectly happy to accommodate her religious restrictions, and she was quite happy to work for them on that basis, so why should she have found another job?

As I said, you may not like the way Tesco agreed to this exemption, but agree they did, and fail to adhere to it they did, which makes the situation their responsibility, not hers.

You don't have to like it, but not liking it does not change it.

[aelmpvw]

rumour has it that she's left tescos and taken up a post as a barmaid

[Baldric]

//and fail to adhere to it they did//

Nowhere does it say she was moved from her normal workstation, the customer turned up at her Kiosk with Alcohol among his purchases.

[andy-hughes]

Baldric - /////The employer then placed her in a situation where she would be required to sell alcohol, which she refused to do.///

Nowhere does it say she was moved from her normal workstation, the customer turned up at her Kiosk with Alcohol among his purchases. //

No, it doesn't, no argument there.

I can only assume, and I may be incorrect, but I am going to assume that the kiosk is staffed by a non-Muslim (or if not, one who has no problem with serving alcohol0 along with this Muslim employee. It may be that said colleague was missing, and the Muslim lady was left on her own, and that is what put her in the situation of having to serve alcohol.

I don't know - but from what we do know, she was exempted from serving alcohol, and then required to do so, and the responsibility for that scenario lies with her employers, and they appear to acknowledge that as well.

[Baldric]

You're just making it it up now Andy, to suit your agenda, I'm out of here.

[TWR]

END OF.

[andy-hughes]

Baldric - I am not making anything up, I am commenting on the information I have, and making suggestions for what has happened, nothing more than that.

I don't have an agenda to suit.

[andy-hughes]

TWR - //END OF. //

End of what?

[Baldric]

"I'm going to scream and scream ^^ until everyone else is sick of it!"

[New Judge]

“The term 'religious inanities' is interesting. Presumably it applies to all religions in your view.”

Yes, absolutely. In fact, again in my view, all religions themselves are inane. To have to make special arrangements to accommodate any of them is stupefyingly ridiculous. Religion is something that should be practiced in private by those who wish to follow it. It has no place out in the big wide world.

[-Talbot-]

andy-Hughes
As I said, you may not like the way Tesco agreed to this exemption, but agree they did




Where you a fly on the wall during these negations andy?

[andy-hughes]

Baldric - //"I'm going to scream and scream ^^ until everyone else is sick of it!" //

If that is directed at me, you will need to explain - I have no idea what you mean.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //As I said, you may not like the way Tesco agreed to this exemption, but agree they did




Where you a fly on the wall during these negations andy? //

If an employee goes about her daily tasks not selling alcohol, then one of two things has happened.

Either no-one has asked her to sell them alcohol. or she has an agreement with her employers that she does not do so.

You don't have to have been present at the job interview to work out which of those occurred here.

[andy-hughes]

New Judge - //Religion is something that should be practiced in private by those who wish to follow it. It has no place out in the big wide world. //

That is a viewpoint I would not contradict.

However, we have to deal with what is, not we would wish, and in this case, the restrictions of Islam are some things that some Muslims do take into the wide world with them, and people including employers can agree or disagree about working around them.

It would appear in this case that employers did make an agreement to work around them, and then failed to keep to their side of it.

[Togo]

//It would appear in this case that employers did make an agreement to work around them, and then failed to keep to their side of it. //

ah You keep on repeating that mantra, You don't know. The girl may have been told to summon a colleague, she chose not to if that is the case. The question would be why?
You seem unable to contemplate any scenario that derails you from your, tram track, train of thought.

[Baldric]

Baldric - //"I'm going to scream and scream ^^ until everyone else is sick of it!" //

Thank you for proving my point Andy.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - ////It would appear in this case that employers did make an agreement to work around them, and then failed to keep to their side of it. //

ah You keep on repeating that mantra, You don't know. The girl may have been told to summon a colleague, she chose not to if that is the case. The question would be why?
You seem unable to contemplate any scenario that derails you from your, tram track, train of thought. //

Of course I don't know - no-one does.

if you re-read my posts, you will observe that I am very careful to confirm that I am speculating, assuming, proposing, wondering, thinking, bot not ever stating facts except those offered in the link.

Your scenario is perfectly valid, and as you say, we don't know - but I am happy to confirm that I don't know - and that not knowing does not entitle me to condemn this woman in the manner and terms that others have done during the discussion.

[New Judge]

“It would appear in this case that employers did make an agreement to work around them, and then failed to keep to their side of it.” (AH)

“To have to make special arrangements to accommodate any of them is stupefyingly ridiculous.” (NJ)

If anybody can convince me that it makes perfectly sound business sense for a company like Tesco to make special arrangements for its cashiers to accommodate their religious foibles I might reconsider my remark above. Tescos do not have to employ people who refuse to handle all of their goods. There are people queueing up to work for them. Whenever they post vacancies they have at least twenty applicants per job (at least they did when they opened a new store near me). They can take their pick. They won’t lose people with “hidden talent” (and even if they did, any talent that may be hidden will almost certainly remain so). The reason they choose not to deny such people a job is that they fear facing legal action for religious discrimination:

“I won’t handle alcohol because I am a Muslim. You won’t employ me because I refuse to handle alcohol. Therefore you won’t employ me because I am a Muslim”.

So goes the warped logic. It’s ridiculous, it’s preposterous and religious foibles such as this (and many others besides) belong in the Dark Ages. It’s not the Dark Ages any more; witches are not burned at the stake; heretics are no longer hung, drawn and quartered; and touching a bottle of Tesco’s Finest Cabernet Sauvignon does not consign you purgatory. Adherents to religions whose practices make them unsuitable to live in the real world need to grow up. And governments and companies which help them perpetuate their nonsensical beliefs are astoundingly irresponsible.