Is This Man A Liar?

[ichkeria]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dni-russias-election-interference-went-far-beyond-hacks-173246915.html

[mikey4444]

Andy....I have just heard on the World at One, that Trump is not receiving the regular security updates, as Obama still is.

Trump is just making an even bigger fool of himself over this issue, than he has over the last 6-9 months with everthing else. The USA certainly doesn't need a fool in the White House.

[naomi24]

//Trump is not receiving the regular security updates, as Obama still is. //

That's probably because Obama is still the president.

[andy-hughes]

mikey - that makes sense - maybe when President Trump is in receipt of the evidence his advisers bring, he will start to listen.

I wonder if he really actually did want to be President, or if he simply boarded a runaway train and got carried away by the attention, and may not like the downside, which is actually doing the job.

[naomi24]

Reading some of the posts on these ‘Trump’ related threads one could be forgiven for thinking that US agencies are so far above promulgating their own propaganda that they are as pure as the driven snow.

[mikey4444]

Andy....its my firm belief that Trump never expected to win when he first put his name forward !

It was all a bit of an ego trip, for a man that likes boasting and is only really happy when he is being surrounded by adoring fans. He is a loud mouth and a bully.

He will have to hit the ground running in a few weeks and then he will realise that that he has bitten off my than even his big mouth can chew.

We won't be having a second term out of him, and who knows, maybe not even a full first term.

[mikey4444]

Andy....it appears that Trump isn't the only Doubting Thomas in the world !

[Bazile]

//I wonder if he really actually did want to be President, or if he simply boarded a runaway train and got carried away by the attention, and may not like the downside, which is actually doing the job.//

Andy - I have posted on here somewhere , where a close friend of Trump was interviewed on the today programme , who stated that Trump does/did not want to be President .

Indeed , i did use the analogy of the runaway train .
He has had a result that he did not envisage - but it is too late now .

[vulcan42]

andy-hughes,
" I wonder if he really actually did want to be President,"
I agree with you and suggested this some months ago, I see no reason to change my mind.

[joggerjayne]

Governments hacking each other, spying, and trying to interfere with the running of each other's systems is inherently wrong.

Oh no, hang on ... Hillary Clinton was caught spying on the United Nations, hacking accounts, and gathering biometric data years ago ...

So, if Hillary is okay with hacking ...

It must be okay.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un

[Zacs-Master]

Governments hacking each other, spying, and trying to interfere with the running of each other's systems is........a basic feature of 21stC politics.

[mikey4444]

Its nice to see that I am not the only one to feel that winning the presidency was as much a surprise to Trump, as it was to the rest of us.

[joggerjayne]

Trump winning was not a huge surprise to those of us who said that Trump was going to win.

Or, to put it another way ... those of us who said that Hillary was going to lose.

Marco Rubio would have won against Hillary.

Bernie Sanders would have won against Trump, and probably against Marco Rubio.

Trump did win against Hillary, and was always going to.

It was always going to be close, and the polls were going to be even closer, because of the number of people who wouldn't admit that they were going to vote for Trump.

But ... Hillary was never going to win.

[mikey4444]

JJ....don't forget that Trump only won because of the Electoral College....he got less votes than Hilary after all !

But even taking that into account, it was still a very close vote....Trump ended up winning, rather than having any God-given right to do so.

[Bazile]

joggerjayne

//Trump winning was not a huge surprise to those of us who said that Trump was going to win. //

Probably not - however it appears it was a huge surprise to Trump

[mikey4444]

LOL...Bazile !

[andy-hughes]

I wonder if he will give it a year and then go? He can cite age as a reason - and hope it sticks!

[ichkeria]

"Crimea ( please dont answer cry-who-er where dat den )
sable rattling in the Ukraine ( please dont say me-craine ? where dat den ?)
turning on and off the gas pipe lines
intervention in Syria

the Cold War IS back on ....wake up and smell the wodka ! "

Dead right PP - I sometimes think half the people here are actually drugged on vodka. Get this folks: the Russian intelligence services never at any time downgraded theit espionage against the west in terms of agents, illegals etc. It's not always, I suspect, for any other reason than abject paranoia and general inquisitiveness.
What is happening now is a bit different: they have a huge resource in talented, biddable young IT specialists, and the potentioal of cyber warfare is only just being exploited. Sure, the west spies on Russia, of course it does, sure it hacks into Russian computer systems no doubt. But not for malicious and offensive purposes. And even if it did, that does not mean you lie down and take it.
As mikey says, this is an unprecedented situation. Suggesting that the security agencies are just "the establishment" who need to be stood up to is so asinine it defies belief. If you hire yourself a bodyguard you do it for a reason.

[ichkeria]

"I wonder if he will give it a year and then go? He can cite age as a reason - and hope it sticks! "

He will not go willingly, but he'll be impeached if he fails to take Mr Clapper and his agencies seriously. Democrats and Republicans alike are appalled.
I don't know who the Republican was at the hearing yesterday, but his southern drawl was full of contempt and gently irony for the president elect's attitude thus far to them.