Is This Man A Liar?

[ichkeria]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dni-russias-election-interference-went-far-beyond-hacks-173246915.html

[EDDIE51]

The man is telling the truth, but that truth does not suit Trump's agenda!

[ToraToraTora]

....oh dear, order up up another truckload! PMSL!

[jno]

he's defining "interference" rather widely if he's grumbling about RT pointing a finger at human rights abuse.

[ichkeria]

It will be fascinating to see how Trump reacts when he is briefed on this

[Old_Geezer]

Well he isn't going to agree that he didn't win the election fair and square and legitimately is he. He's going to suspect hidden agendas and the system trying to control the president. Unsure how much it matters really. They aren't going to rerun the election nor stop keeping tabs on what other countries are up to.

[Old_Geezer]

He'll most likely react by stating that there is insufficient evidence but they should keep on monitoring and reporting what they find/suspect and ensure counter measures are in place.

[david small]

This just goes on and on and on and on.

[ichkeria]

As Hoe abiden has pointed out, sooner or later Trump is going to have to 'grow up'
He is going to have to stop playing the 'outsider' and acknowledge that he is part of the 'establishment' at least when it comes to the security of his country. That will mean listening to and trusting his own people and not rushing to back charlatans like Assange.
Nobody is accusing him of being complicit in this (to my knowledge)
I assume he actually still wants to be president - in which case he will need to shape up or he'll find himself on an impeachment sooner than you can say 'Michelle Obama 2020' :-)

[mikey4444]

Trump is still digging in that hole he finds himself in, despite all the evidence.

The CIA, the FBI and even his own Party all now believe that Russia is to be blame here.....everybody except Trump.

We will soon have an America President in place that supports Russia and Putin, rather than his own intelligence agencies.

I wonder how many Americans would have voted for Trump last year, if they had known this ?

[youngmafbog]

No he is not going to have to 'grow up' because by that statement the VP means kow-tow to the Establishment that Trump was voted in to smash a bit.

Do the Russians hack? Of course they do, do we hack, of course we do Do the USA hack - well Merkel can tell you about that. If they did hack then they did not influence the election, it is far too big for that and anyway if Hillary wasn't so bent there would have been nothing to hack for.

The other thing The Donald is right to be sceptical about is the last time we listened to that lot we ended up in a war in Iraq on the false pretence (from them) that WMD's were present.

[youngmafbog]

//We will soon have an America President in place that supports Russia and Putin, rather than his own intelligence agencies.
//

The big problem with the US intelligence agencies is that they still think the cold war is on. They need to grow up and move on. I'm not saying they should not keep tabs on Russia but there are far bigger threats than from Putin who simply cannot afford any lasting war.

Of course if you would rather have had Hillary start a war (Putin's words not mine) then that is your prerogative.

[Peter Pedant]

I wondered what Trump was about on this

"There has been interference Mr President !"
Pres for it is he: o come arn ! you were always gonna say that !
Spooks - quietly: no we dont normally we are usually spooky and silent
Pres: you know waaat ? I'm gonna fire all of you when I grow up and get to be president !

we do indeed live in interesting times

I suppose he feels that if he says yeah there was
then there has to be a re run

[Peter Pedant]

// The big problem with the US intelligence agencies is that they still think the cold war is on.//

back on

Crimea ( please dont answer cry-who-er where dat den )
sable rattling in the Ukraine ( please dont say me-craine ? where dat den ?)
turning on and off the gas pipe lines
intervention in Syria

the Cold War IS back on ....wake up and smell the wodka !

[youngmafbog]

No idea what you are on about PP.

[andy-hughes]

This throws up that wonderful dichotomy which I love to quote when it arises - he may not be a liar, but that does not mean that what he is saying is true.

To explain - if Mr Clapper believes what he says to be true, then he speaking the truth as he believes it, so he is not a liar.

However, that does not mean that what Mr Clapper is saying is in fact the truth, and that is the router of the problem.

Because of the sheer mass of intricacies and chicanery involved in the activities of the secret services, it is probably impossible to know what the truth is, because all we will ever get is 'the facts' as the are given to us to suit the agenda of the person(s) giving them.

[andy-hughes]

And I have no idea what Peter Pedant is on about either - I have stopped reading his posts because I cannot make head nor tail of them.

[youngmafbog]

That is an excellent summing of of the situation AH.

And I have learnt a new word to boot

[mikey4444]

YMB....08:34.....Hilary has nothing to do with this at all. This is about whether Trump is going to accept what his security agencies are telling him or not.

As of today, he is still refusing to believe them, despite the evidence that has been shown to Congress.

My best guess on this, is that all the sensible people surrounding Trump, and there must be some, at least, will force him to change his mind, and he will do that with as much bad grace as he can muster.

In other words, it will be another Trump u-turn.

If this is how he intends to behave for the next 4 years, then God help us all.

[andy-hughes]

Mikey - I think Trump has yet to adjust to his new environment, where what he says is not the law, and no-one argues or contradicts, or simply refuses to do what he says.

Once he is in office, and sees how things work outside his own fiefdom, hopefully he will make the transition - we will see.