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Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967), is a landmark civil rights decision of the United States Supreme Court, which invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage.
It isn't against any US law, but that doesn't mean a parent, as it has always been the case, has to be happy with whom their daughter wants to marry.
Whether they wish to give her money or not is also entirely their choice.
It isn't against any US law, but that doesn't mean a parent, as it has always been the case, has to be happy with whom their daughter wants to marry.
Whether they wish to give her money or not is also entirely their choice.
andy-hughes
/// Unless we want to go down the hinted route that black men are actually some sort of sub-species, prone to violence because that is the way they are born? ///
There we go again suggesting things that no one has said, along with outrageous words such as "black men are actually some sort of sub-species".
What goes off in your mind Andy speaks more about yourself than anyone one of us.
/// Unless we want to go down the hinted route that black men are actually some sort of sub-species, prone to violence because that is the way they are born? ///
There we go again suggesting things that no one has said, along with outrageous words such as "black men are actually some sort of sub-species".
What goes off in your mind Andy speaks more about yourself than anyone one of us.
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// I like to think that if a mixed race couple have got to a second date, they have managed to reach a conclusion vis-à-vis each other's skin colour, and decided that they like each other anyway, so colour is not an issue. ///
I think that it would take more than two dates to attend to the issues that can come between the couple, which they might not realise at such a young age. //
Of course it will - but that point applies whatever colour either of the couple is!
My point is, in the early part of the relationship, the couple will have decided that skin colour difference is not an issue - that is something they can see right in front of them. In terms of 'cultural' difficulties' that may lie ahead - that applies to any couple anywhere of any colour. I don't think anyone embarks on a relationship thinking 'Hmm, there may be 'cultural difference ahead here ...' - if they did, the relationship is unlikely to get to the point where 'cultural differences' matter anyway.
// But it is not just about skin colour or race, but the main problem is the clash of cultures, and although at such a young age and being in love, this might not surface in the early stages of their relationship. //
You talk about 'clash of cultures' as though an American woman has taken up with a Amazon tribesman who thinks an eclipse is the end of the world!
This couple are from the same country for heaven's sake! Your notion of 'cultural differences' is seriously out of touch with reality. Black and white Americans are not so different that they are likely to experience 'cultural differences' based on the colours of their skins.
Whether we like to brush over the fact and to be seemed up to date, cultural difference problems can surface at any given time, as in this case her parents attitude, maybe her neighbours and other acquaintances. //
It is not about being seen to be up to date, it is about being up to date. The days when black people drank from different water fountains and used different toilets are actually gone now - so there is no point in perpetuating the racist notion that 'black people are not like us' - because they are like us!
// No not everyone supports the PC attitude, that is life, and there can be problems much later in life when they decide to start a family, then there becomes the problem of what some mixed race children are sometime forced to endure. //
Personally, if society still has issues with mixed-race children in 2017, then it is seriously limited backwaters where bigoted ignorant racism still flourishes, and the way to clean up that cancer is not to pander to it by encouraging people to date and marry within their own colour group.
// But this is not only a White Bigoted Racist attitude, it works both ways we do not know of the black boy's parents attitude is, for their son to go out with a white girl. //
Does that make it OK then - if they are racist as well? Bigotry knows no colour, one of its biggest ironies.
// Yes this is about colour, but as already been pointed out, there can be problems over religion, and also some Asian's attitude towards caste, and of course our own attitude towards class. //
Yes there can - and we on here are always delighted to debate them, but they are not relevant here. This is about racist bigotry, not religious or class bigotries, they are for another day.
Oh - and any thoughts about those many and varied 'cultural differences' to which you persist in referring? Just a couple will do.
Thanks.
/// I like to think that if a mixed race couple have got to a second date, they have managed to reach a conclusion vis-à-vis each other's skin colour, and decided that they like each other anyway, so colour is not an issue. ///
I think that it would take more than two dates to attend to the issues that can come between the couple, which they might not realise at such a young age. //
Of course it will - but that point applies whatever colour either of the couple is!
My point is, in the early part of the relationship, the couple will have decided that skin colour difference is not an issue - that is something they can see right in front of them. In terms of 'cultural' difficulties' that may lie ahead - that applies to any couple anywhere of any colour. I don't think anyone embarks on a relationship thinking 'Hmm, there may be 'cultural difference ahead here ...' - if they did, the relationship is unlikely to get to the point where 'cultural differences' matter anyway.
// But it is not just about skin colour or race, but the main problem is the clash of cultures, and although at such a young age and being in love, this might not surface in the early stages of their relationship. //
You talk about 'clash of cultures' as though an American woman has taken up with a Amazon tribesman who thinks an eclipse is the end of the world!
This couple are from the same country for heaven's sake! Your notion of 'cultural differences' is seriously out of touch with reality. Black and white Americans are not so different that they are likely to experience 'cultural differences' based on the colours of their skins.
Whether we like to brush over the fact and to be seemed up to date, cultural difference problems can surface at any given time, as in this case her parents attitude, maybe her neighbours and other acquaintances. //
It is not about being seen to be up to date, it is about being up to date. The days when black people drank from different water fountains and used different toilets are actually gone now - so there is no point in perpetuating the racist notion that 'black people are not like us' - because they are like us!
// No not everyone supports the PC attitude, that is life, and there can be problems much later in life when they decide to start a family, then there becomes the problem of what some mixed race children are sometime forced to endure. //
Personally, if society still has issues with mixed-race children in 2017, then it is seriously limited backwaters where bigoted ignorant racism still flourishes, and the way to clean up that cancer is not to pander to it by encouraging people to date and marry within their own colour group.
// But this is not only a White Bigoted Racist attitude, it works both ways we do not know of the black boy's parents attitude is, for their son to go out with a white girl. //
Does that make it OK then - if they are racist as well? Bigotry knows no colour, one of its biggest ironies.
// Yes this is about colour, but as already been pointed out, there can be problems over religion, and also some Asian's attitude towards caste, and of course our own attitude towards class. //
Yes there can - and we on here are always delighted to debate them, but they are not relevant here. This is about racist bigotry, not religious or class bigotries, they are for another day.
Oh - and any thoughts about those many and varied 'cultural differences' to which you persist in referring? Just a couple will do.
Thanks.
AOG - //There we go again suggesting things that no one has said, along with outrageous words such as "black men are actually some sort of sub-species".
What goes off in your mind Andy speaks more about yourself than anyone one of us. //
Your ability to zero on a seemingly provocative phrase and quote it out of context speaks more about yourself than any one of us.
What goes off in your mind Andy speaks more about yourself than anyone one of us. //
Your ability to zero on a seemingly provocative phrase and quote it out of context speaks more about yourself than any one of us.
murray
\\\\.but to finance a situation that you are convinced will end in a crash is mad\\\
If's and if's...it may not end in a crash, she may either realise that decisions in life are that not easy OR she might get a job to finance her studies.
Many have....
Not easy either for her or for her parents.....important decisions never are.
\\\\.but to finance a situation that you are convinced will end in a crash is mad\\\
If's and if's...it may not end in a crash, she may either realise that decisions in life are that not easy OR she might get a job to finance her studies.
Many have....
Not easy either for her or for her parents.....important decisions never are.
murraymints - // would not offer financial help in a situation I as not happy with..if it were meant to be let them find a way....might seem harsh..but to finance a situation that you are convinced will end in a crash is mad //
If my children needed financial support, I would offer it if I was able.
That support would not come with the built-in condition that their lives must conform with my personal vision of what is right for them, of be withheld because I decided to look into the future and then decide that their course in life was doomed.
My support is based on my love for my children, and my willingness to let them live their lives, mistakes and all. It is about them living their lives as they see fit, not as I see fit.
If my children needed financial support, I would offer it if I was able.
That support would not come with the built-in condition that their lives must conform with my personal vision of what is right for them, of be withheld because I decided to look into the future and then decide that their course in life was doomed.
My support is based on my love for my children, and my willingness to let them live their lives, mistakes and all. It is about them living their lives as they see fit, not as I see fit.
Nothing to do with this but I watched a TV documentary the other day on USA prisons.
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Thought it was interesting
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“NJ - Do you think that the 'animals biting' analogy is somewhat redundant?”
It’s not really valid in the first place, Andy, as I’ve tried to explain.
What I was trying to do is to illustrate the difference between what I believe AOG thinks (best to be safe than sorry, so I’ll avoid all lions because some might bite you) and what I believe others have assumed he thinks (all lions bite you). It doesn’t really matter because his logic is flawed by its incompleteness. There may be DV amongst mixed race relationships but there certainly is in same race relationships as well. So you also have to avoid tigers because they’ve been known to be a bit vicious. Quite whether lions or tigers pose the greater risk I don’t know.
For the purposes of this question I don’t think it really matters. We only have Ms Dowdle’s version of these events and it is unlikely that we will hear much else. Whatever the truth, she’s managed to convince quite a few gullible souls that she’s been the victim of racist bigoted parents and good luck to her.
BTW, murraymints, you forgot the proper ending of your “do unto others” ditty. In full, it goes “do unto others before they do it to you” :-)
It’s not really valid in the first place, Andy, as I’ve tried to explain.
What I was trying to do is to illustrate the difference between what I believe AOG thinks (best to be safe than sorry, so I’ll avoid all lions because some might bite you) and what I believe others have assumed he thinks (all lions bite you). It doesn’t really matter because his logic is flawed by its incompleteness. There may be DV amongst mixed race relationships but there certainly is in same race relationships as well. So you also have to avoid tigers because they’ve been known to be a bit vicious. Quite whether lions or tigers pose the greater risk I don’t know.
For the purposes of this question I don’t think it really matters. We only have Ms Dowdle’s version of these events and it is unlikely that we will hear much else. Whatever the truth, she’s managed to convince quite a few gullible souls that she’s been the victim of racist bigoted parents and good luck to her.
BTW, murraymints, you forgot the proper ending of your “do unto others” ditty. In full, it goes “do unto others before they do it to you” :-)
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