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Nick Clegg: Why Did Ebbw Vale In Wales Vote Brexit?
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When I have said before, on AB, that xenophobia was the prime cause of the BREXIT vote, I have been howled down. But in this BBC report from South Wales, its clear that it was a very strong reason behind people voting to leave the EU, at least with older voters.
Even in a Town where there is little immigration, the fear of it persuaded people to vote OUT, even when it has benefited hugely from EU funding.
It make for interesting viewing !
When I have said before, on AB, that xenophobia was the prime cause of the BREXIT vote, I have been howled down. But in this BBC report from South Wales, its clear that it was a very strong reason behind people voting to leave the EU, at least with older voters.
Even in a Town where there is little immigration, the fear of it persuaded people to vote OUT, even when it has benefited hugely from EU funding.
It make for interesting viewing !
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I must admit that I can't see a problem with Polish supermarkets in Hereford, nor have I noticed it particularly resplendent with immigrants than most other towns, nor do they worry me, at all, but then I have a Romanian born partner. The lovely Polish lady at the garage ran after me the other day because I'd dropped my purse, they are just like us. They are just...
14:01 Wed 29th Mar 2017
Ichkeria
I wouldn't be too sure of that
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Eddie...You have hit the nail on the head there :::
"To get rid of the bl***dy foreigners & immigrants"
The biggest reason of all....good, old fashioned xenophobia, bordering on racism.
Sorry, I don't follow.
The whole point of this thread was mikey claiming that he was right to say that xenophobia was a major factor in the Brexit vote. It may be that mikey overdid his response a bit there, but to be honest, it was in the face of a rather shall I say "robust" statement.
Many people who supported and support our membership of the EU have consistently been branded by some as unpatriotic and somehow embittered. Which is in its turn very disappointing and frustrating.
The whole point of this thread was mikey claiming that he was right to say that xenophobia was a major factor in the Brexit vote. It may be that mikey overdid his response a bit there, but to be honest, it was in the face of a rather shall I say "robust" statement.
Many people who supported and support our membership of the EU have consistently been branded by some as unpatriotic and somehow embittered. Which is in its turn very disappointing and frustrating.
"Even in a Town where there is little immigration, the fear of it persuaded people to vote OUT, even when it has benefited hugely from EU funding. "
And your point is what, exactly Mikey?
Is it that people should not be entitled to vote on the basis of their fears, whether real or imagined? Should they be grateful that for every £1 we pay to the EU we get 50p back to spend as directed and that they are recipients of some of that munificence? Or could they be thinking that if we kept the entire £1 they might get a little more?
And your point is what, exactly Mikey?
Is it that people should not be entitled to vote on the basis of their fears, whether real or imagined? Should they be grateful that for every £1 we pay to the EU we get 50p back to spend as directed and that they are recipients of some of that munificence? Or could they be thinking that if we kept the entire £1 they might get a little more?
"Is it that people should not be entitled to vote on the basis of their fears, whether real or imagined? Should they be grateful that for every £1 we pay to the EU we get 50p back to spend as directed and that they are recipients of some of that munificence? Or could they be thinking that if we kept the entire £1 they might get a little more? "
Everyone is more than entitled to vote as they please for whatever reason. All Nick Clegg was doing there was listening to what those reasons were. I didn't actually hear the £1, 50p idea mentioned in that film. I think I might worry that there's absolutely no guarantee that that would happen. But surely the point most of the people who were interviewed were making was that they either in any case didn't care about the money, or hadn't realised what it had been used for.
Everyone is more than entitled to vote as they please for whatever reason. All Nick Clegg was doing there was listening to what those reasons were. I didn't actually hear the £1, 50p idea mentioned in that film. I think I might worry that there's absolutely no guarantee that that would happen. But surely the point most of the people who were interviewed were making was that they either in any case didn't care about the money, or hadn't realised what it had been used for.
"Ichkeria, I am sorry you don't follow,
That is a C & P of a Mikey Post from page 2 of the Linked thread which goes against your 15:58 post, what is not to follow? "
My "15.58 post" said that no one is saying that all people who support "Leave" are xenophobic. Like I say, mikey was responding robustly to a pretty robust challenge, and should speak for himself, but neither he or anyone else here that I can see is tarring all "leavers" with the same brush, That would be daft.
That is a C & P of a Mikey Post from page 2 of the Linked thread which goes against your 15:58 post, what is not to follow? "
My "15.58 post" said that no one is saying that all people who support "Leave" are xenophobic. Like I say, mikey was responding robustly to a pretty robust challenge, and should speak for himself, but neither he or anyone else here that I can see is tarring all "leavers" with the same brush, That would be daft.
// Is it that people should not be entitled to vote on the basis of their fears, whether real or imagined? //
and then we have // Sorry, NJ. That's far too logical for some.//
and so [one can conclude] logic is where you vote on the basis of fear ?
I would call it more irrational myself - but hey this is AB and people use words in exactly the way they want whether or not it corresponds to any known English meaning.
come on jay dee - cut back on the gin in the afternoon !
and then we have // Sorry, NJ. That's far too logical for some.//
and so [one can conclude] logic is where you vote on the basis of fear ?
I would call it more irrational myself - but hey this is AB and people use words in exactly the way they want whether or not it corresponds to any known English meaning.
come on jay dee - cut back on the gin in the afternoon !
Net immigration is a big issue. We are already overfull, the last thing we need are incomers who either are then on welfare or at best take jobs allowing/forcing natives to be on welfare. And whilst the culture change issue is secondary it is also a reasonable concern given the pace of change over a lifetime. One need not be xenophobic to wish to avoid that: people like stability and gradual improvement, or there is nothing that seems to anchor their life, nothing they can depend on. They feel as a stranger in a strange land, not home. That stated, the need for a nation to be in control of itself is sufficient to want to endure any transition, before any further reasons are added on top.
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