Only Ill Informed People Defend Islam

[Samjenko]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/islamophobic-read-news-more-racist-study-muslim-terrorism-radical-isis-plos-one-new-zealanders-a7663861.html

[andy-hughes]

Samjenko - //I'd suggest that is exactly where you, and others, are going wrong. //

That's your view - we differ, which is fine.

It's a pleasant change for someone to challenge what I think, without attacking me for thinking it - hopefully that ethos will spread!

[-Talbot-]

andy, for the length of time you have been working on that reply I expected much better.

So Islam isn't a misogynistic religion then?

[hereIam]

I already knew they were misogynists Talbot.

[emmie]

Talbot
i watched a few minutes, that was more than enough.

[Samjenko]

I was going to post 'If I could give you best answer, I would' to Talbot.

Then I realised I could. Doh.

[ichkeria]

Has anyone actually read this article (!)
It isn't "anti-Muslim"!
Basically the gist is: people who read more stuff in the news are more likely to be islamophobic. The stuff they are reading tho is about terror attacks. And goodness knows what else. So it's not really unexpected. I wonder how much money was spent on eliciting this great insight :-)

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //So Islam isn't a misogynistic religion then? //

Twice in one day - that must be a record!

I have not ventured an opinion on whether or not I think Islam is or is not a misogynist religion - you'll see that my opinion is not there if you read my post.

I thought we went through this last week - your habit of seeing things that are not in my posts, and then arguing as if they are there.

You really need to stop it, it's confusing.

[andy-hughes]

ichkeria - A parallel would be if the papers were full of the Ku Klux Klan burning crosses, lynching, and intimidating people - would we all be fearful of Christians then?

[ichkeria]

Well, quite. Islamophobia, or any sort of phobia for that matter, does not materialise out of thin air. But the original question in any case is a non sequitur.

[Samjenko]

It was intended as a pro-Islam report/article but it back-fired spectacularly, lol.

[ichkeria]

I have to admit to not fully understanding what the point of this research was.
“People tend to interpret the news in ways that fit with their pre-existing biases, seeking affirmation of their beliefs while discounting conflicting information," said lead author Dr John Shaver, a lecturer at the University of Otago.
And their study bears that out. The fact that New Zealanders may be "more tolerant" generally I don't really see as relevant. What on earth did they expect?

[-Talbot-]

andy-hughes
I have not ventured an opinion on whether or not I think Islam is or is not a misogynist religion




Yes I know, you appear to be perpetually terrified of answering a simple question.

[TWR]

When you read / hear reports from whatever source, who is it that Beheads people/ blows up people / use children, abuse children, blow up trains, boats, planes, Buses full of people, would I be right I thinking the reports head in the direction of Muslims A.H.

[naomi24]

Referring to Talbot’s video, the speaker asked how many agree with the punishments recommended in Islamic literature. Look at the hands going up. Similarly he asked how many agree that men and women should be kept separate. Again, look at the hands going up. Anyone who thinks that the audience in that video is not representative of main stream Islam should remember that no Muslim may contradict or criticise the literature from which those instructions emanate. The speaker does not equate to Tommy Robinson, and the audience doesn’t equate to the EDL. These are mainstream Muslims - and that's what they believe.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //Yes I know, you appear to be perpetually terrified of answering a simple question. //

I am not petrified in the slightest - perpetually, or otherwise.

What I am - with bitter experience - is wary of your constant attempts to drag me into an off-thread argument.

I had it at the beginning of the day in an innocent comment about a guitarist, and now here you are again.

Why don't you go and pick an argument with someone else? I am not playing today - or tomorrow if I remember!

[fiction-factory]

>no Muslim may contradict or criticise the literature from which those instructions emanate

So maybe they felt compelled to put their hands up regardless of what they actually felt

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //Referring to Talbot’s video, the speaker asked how many agree with the punishments recommended in Islamic literature. Look at the hands going up. Similarly he asked how many agree that men and women should be kept separate. Again, look at the hands going up. //

I would not expect any Muslim to draw attention to himself in front of his peers and the Imams.

I sing hymns in mass every week, and I go to the alter for a blessing, along with the communicants - it doesn't mean I believe in the ritual.

People don't like to stand out from a crowd, I would suggest that goes triple for Muslim men being filmed in their mosque!