Is Jeremy Corbyn Fit To Become The Prime Minister Of The Uk?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4577354/Jeremy-Corbyn-addressed-rally-attended-al-Muhajiroun.html

/// Jeremy condemns Al Muhajiroun in the strongest possible terms.’#But the Labour leader has been exposed for calling terrorist groups Hezbollah and Hamas his friends, describing the death of Bin Laden as a tragedy, boasting of opposing anti-terror legislation in his 30-year career as an MP, and opposing powers stopping would-be terrorists travelling to fight with Islamic State. ///

[Togo]

Now now ZM that is just a regressive opinion to have according to kvalidir and the "progressive thinkers". A Dystopian world where the feckless and idle can be anonymous and famous all at the same time is the dream.

[Zacs-Master]

Corbyn also voted remain:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/full-list-remain-mps-who-could-block-brexit-by-voting-article-50-down-1589766

[jim360]

I think the last thing you could accuse Corbyn of is a desire for power. He's shown none of that in his entire career, until he accidentally won the Labour nomination at least.

As to that Leave/Remain thing from his end -- yes, it's true that his position before was to Leave; and it's true that he supported Remain lukewarmly, and obviously reluctantly. But let me again remind you that I'm not a Corbyn supporter, or even a Labour supporter. In other circumstances I'd have voted LibDem. I'm voting against the Tory party -- and the SNP -- and the only way to do that effectively is to give my vote to Labour. If Labour end up winning then -- well, we'll see how things turn out. But if they do, then May's only got herself to blame, and you should turn to her for the explanation.

[Khandro]

As if the leader isn't bad enough, look a the standard of the whips;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015202/MP-letter-blast-blind-man-Out-way-Labour-whip-shouts-reporter.html

[naomi24]

I can't access that, Zacs .... did he? Really?

[Zacs-Master]

You don't Believe in Corbyn or Labour yet you're voting for them. Holy Jesus. (Shakes head).

[naomi24]

Jim, //But let me again remind you that I'm not a Corbyn supporter, or even a Labour supporter.//

You keep telling yourself that, Jim.

[Zacs-Master]

According to that list N, yes. Makes you think don't it. Hope it makes a few labour voters think.

[jim360]

ZM -- Tactical voting is a thing. Get over it.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm afraid I can't 'get over it'. It makes no sense whatsoever to go against ones political instincts and vote for someone you don't believe in, just to have a dig at another political party. Correct me if I'm wrong but you weren't alive in the 70s were you?

[jim360]

Also, Naomi, is there any chance that maybe something I say about myself could be regarded as actually correct? Self-determination is also a thing. I am not a member of the Labour Party, I'm not a Corbynista, and I spent most of the last two years despairing that he was leader of the Opposition. I'm pretty sure you can find a post from me somewhere on this site where I said that if Corbyn became leader then I'd vote Tory in the next election. At the time, at least, I was being serious. Events since then have changed, and now I feel it's in my best interests to, at the very least, keep the Tory government from having too great a majority and keep the Labour Party from too destructive a collapse. If mine was the casting vote in a choice between which of the two parties formed a government then I'd pick neither of them -- certainly not with May as leader.

Since the nature of voting is such that (a) any one vote is lost in the noise, so a Labour government if it happens is not my fault; (b) I have another party I want to keep out of Westminster as far as possible, and the Labour candidate is best-placed to achieve that in my seat; and (c) FPTP being what it is, voting for anyone other than Labour, the SNP or the Tories is pretty much a waste of a vote, then I have exactly one choice in this election if I intend to vote. Which I do.

[jim360]

Well then, ZM, perhaps you should get on the Tories' backs and tell them that their commitment to FPTP, making tactical voting a thing, is damaging the country and disillusioning many of its voters by making them feel obliged to make unpalatable choices.

Also no, I wasn't. But that's what history books are for.

[Zacs-Master]

What a load of erudite clap trap Jim. If you vote for labour and they win, you irrefutably have had a hand in that. To pretend (or claim by some hyperbole) that you haven't is being dishonest with yourself. Grow up!

[jim360]

Well, at least it's erudite for a change.

[Zacs-Master]

That's what history books are for eh? The demographic of AB is such that the majority have lived through the 70s. You should listen to them, they will tell you in a more honest way than any book what Corbyn version of labour is like! Except Mikey of course, who votes Labour because he always has. Or something.

[jim360]

I don't need people on AB to rant at me about how bad the 70s were, that's what my Grandma spends most of her time doing when we talk anyway.

[anotheoldgit]

kvalidir

/// Corbyn is at least progressive rather than regressive. ///

Do you really believe that?

Jeremy Corbyn’s is well noted for his experimental retro-70s leadership, a far step back from 'New Labour'.

[Zacs-Master]

The you should listen to her Jim. Please.

[AB Editor]

"I think the last thing you could accuse Corbyn of is a desire for power. He's shown none of that in his entire career, until he accidentally won the Labour nomination at least."

He is that rarest of things, a leader capable of passing the "The desire to be a politician should be enough to ban you from ever becoming one" test!

(or similar, do we have anyone to cite for that?)

[jim360]

You clearly don't know my grandma, ZM.