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Is Jeremy Corbyn Fit To Become The Prime Minister Of The Uk?
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/// Jeremy condemns Al Muhajiroun in the strongest possible terms.’#But the Labour leader has been exposed for calling terrorist groups Hezbollah and Hamas his friends, describing the death of Bin Laden as a tragedy, boasting of opposing anti-terror legislation in his 30-year career as an MP, and opposing powers stopping would-be terrorists travelling to fight with Islamic State. ///
/// Jeremy condemns Al Muhajiroun in the strongest possible terms.’#But the Labour leader has been exposed for calling terrorist groups Hezbollah and Hamas his friends, describing the death of Bin Laden as a tragedy, boasting of opposing anti-terror legislation in his 30-year career as an MP, and opposing powers stopping would-be terrorists travelling to fight with Islamic State. ///
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People don't seem to realise that Corbyn's policies are mainstream in other countries (especially Scandinavian ones, but also in other parts of Europe). Now, you can of course argue that the situation is different here because we have fewer natural resources, or that those countries built up to the promises he is making over longer periods of time than he is suggesting, but at the very least stop this pretense that what his manifesto proposes is somehow radical or revolutionary or communistic or seriously off-the-wall - unless you're going to suggest that the Norwegian Labour Movement is some kind of lunatic far-left group.
This overdramatic "red terror" performance has happened at every election since Blair stepped down and it needs to stop. It's crying wolf and it's dishonest.
This overdramatic "red terror" performance has happened at every election since Blair stepped down and it needs to stop. It's crying wolf and it's dishonest.
About some things? Yes. About some other things -- not really, no.
The 70s were bad, but on the one hand you are telling me that Labour will return us to the 70s and on the other it's not difficult to find others determined in their conviction that a Tory government will bring us to the 50s. So on that score Labour are 20 years ahead already, which is pretty good going by any stretch.
Predictions of doomsday should any party win are a tried, tested, and utterly discredited and failed tactic. If you can put a positive case for the Tories other than "please oh god stop Corbyn from winning", which isn't going to happen anyway (and if it is then it's got nothing to do with the results in Scotland), then I'm all ears. So far as I can see, you've given up even trying that in the last week or so, and have had to fall back on "Not Diane Abbott" or something.
I made my decision. I reached it honestly. If Labour win and it all goes tits up, come after me then. If the Tories win, and it all goes tits up, but in a different way, then I'm sure you'll be only too happy to accept responsibilty for your failed and ruinous decision. Except why should you be? You arrived at your choice honestly, too.
The 70s were bad, but on the one hand you are telling me that Labour will return us to the 70s and on the other it's not difficult to find others determined in their conviction that a Tory government will bring us to the 50s. So on that score Labour are 20 years ahead already, which is pretty good going by any stretch.
Predictions of doomsday should any party win are a tried, tested, and utterly discredited and failed tactic. If you can put a positive case for the Tories other than "please oh god stop Corbyn from winning", which isn't going to happen anyway (and if it is then it's got nothing to do with the results in Scotland), then I'm all ears. So far as I can see, you've given up even trying that in the last week or so, and have had to fall back on "Not Diane Abbott" or something.
I made my decision. I reached it honestly. If Labour win and it all goes tits up, come after me then. If the Tories win, and it all goes tits up, but in a different way, then I'm sure you'll be only too happy to accept responsibilty for your failed and ruinous decision. Except why should you be? You arrived at your choice honestly, too.
I agree, Jim. It is far easier to criticise someone else than it is to actually make a convincing case for your side. I notice that a lot of the Labour supporters on here are frequently justifying their decision based on what they think is best on a careful weighing of pros and cons.
Meanwhile the main opposing argument seems to be "I am shaking my head in disbelief!" or "Corbyn is terrible" or "Loony lefty" or "Nobody intelligent would possibly vote for that" or "You don't understand the world because you are young/naive/ideological/too disabled (delete as appropriate)" rather than an actual positive case for why the conservatives deserve to win.
Meanwhile the main opposing argument seems to be "I am shaking my head in disbelief!" or "Corbyn is terrible" or "Loony lefty" or "Nobody intelligent would possibly vote for that" or "You don't understand the world because you are young/naive/ideological/too disabled (delete as appropriate)" rather than an actual positive case for why the conservatives deserve to win.
Jim, //If you can put a positive case for the Tories other than "please oh god stop Corbyn from winning", //
I think I’ve done that on numerous occasions but a short synopsis would be that the Conservatives understand business, they understand that business creates the wealth of the nation, they understand aspiration, and they understand and encourage ambition. Labour on the other hand, understand none of that. These latter day Robin Hoods will punish all of that, but the result will rebound upon guess who? The working man. Business isn’t going to pay higher taxes and higher wages without either going under and taking the jobs they provide with them, or passing the higher cost on to the consumer. Someone on here yesterday asked who will have to pay the garden tax that Corbyn is proposing – her or her landlord? Who do you think will pay it? If it’s the landlord’s responsibility, which as owner of the property no doubt it will be, what’s going to happen? He’ll raise her rent to cover the extra cost. It stands to reason – if you care to think about it - that the working man must ultimately bear the cost of everything that a free-for-all Labour government is promising. Additionally, there’s Jeremy spouting on to his cheering worshippers, promoting his vision of the country running on the hammer and sickle manufacturing industry that he intends to build, completely ignoring the fact that in today’s world the real wealth of the country is generated by the financial industry. The man doesn’t have a clue – which is probably why, as Krom so rightly says, most of his Labour colleagues have distanced themselves from him. And yet here we have people willing to give him the rope with which to hang the nation. And Krom is right again. I am shaking my head in disbelief.
I think I’ve done that on numerous occasions but a short synopsis would be that the Conservatives understand business, they understand that business creates the wealth of the nation, they understand aspiration, and they understand and encourage ambition. Labour on the other hand, understand none of that. These latter day Robin Hoods will punish all of that, but the result will rebound upon guess who? The working man. Business isn’t going to pay higher taxes and higher wages without either going under and taking the jobs they provide with them, or passing the higher cost on to the consumer. Someone on here yesterday asked who will have to pay the garden tax that Corbyn is proposing – her or her landlord? Who do you think will pay it? If it’s the landlord’s responsibility, which as owner of the property no doubt it will be, what’s going to happen? He’ll raise her rent to cover the extra cost. It stands to reason – if you care to think about it - that the working man must ultimately bear the cost of everything that a free-for-all Labour government is promising. Additionally, there’s Jeremy spouting on to his cheering worshippers, promoting his vision of the country running on the hammer and sickle manufacturing industry that he intends to build, completely ignoring the fact that in today’s world the real wealth of the country is generated by the financial industry. The man doesn’t have a clue – which is probably why, as Krom so rightly says, most of his Labour colleagues have distanced themselves from him. And yet here we have people willing to give him the rope with which to hang the nation. And Krom is right again. I am shaking my head in disbelief.
Kromo; //People don't seem to realise that Corbyn's policies are mainstream in other countries (especially Scandinavian ones,....//
Oh yes, I think at least some of us do - Sweden, 'the rape capital of Europe' and the most likely country to become an Islamic state, due to absurd feebleness and capitulation by their left/liberal governments to the demands of their immigrants.
Oh yes, I think at least some of us do - Sweden, 'the rape capital of Europe' and the most likely country to become an Islamic state, due to absurd feebleness and capitulation by their left/liberal governments to the demands of their immigrants.
Krom, only a day or so ago you were telling me that such are Corbyn’s politics that the majority of his own party opposes him, so much so that he has very few from which to choose to form a cabinet. Is the Norwegian Labour Movement, with which you now compare this shambles, in that situation? I doubt it very much.
Khandro
Sweden is a) not the only country in Scandinavia and b) not the rape capital of Europe.
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Naomi:
No, I said the majority of the parliamentary party does. The majority of the members demonstrably do support him: he won the leadership twice in a row on more than 65% of the vote (yes, even if you control for £3 members). Those who didn't support him are mainly Blairites (i.e. conservatives with a red rosette) or did so under the argument that he was unelectable, when dividing the party would make it even more unelectable.
Also, your quote about business is a soundbite and doesn't mean anything in terms of what they will actually do.
Sweden is a) not the only country in Scandinavia and b) not the rape capital of Europe.
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Naomi:
No, I said the majority of the parliamentary party does. The majority of the members demonstrably do support him: he won the leadership twice in a row on more than 65% of the vote (yes, even if you control for £3 members). Those who didn't support him are mainly Blairites (i.e. conservatives with a red rosette) or did so under the argument that he was unelectable, when dividing the party would make it even more unelectable.
Also, your quote about business is a soundbite and doesn't mean anything in terms of what they will actually do.
What we really need is a PM who speaks out on our behalf
1. Tell the remaining 27 EU members " get stuffed we're leaving ,we pay nothing".
2. Tell Nicola Sturgeon " A breakaway from the UK means all handouts from the UK treasury stops"
3. All people from other countries wishing to settle here must swear allegiance to the British Crown & be able to speak English.
4. All immigrants must have a job to come to.
5. No one will be allowed to walk our streets wearing clothing that disguises their features.
In other words a PM who will stand up for British values.
Where do we find such a person ?
1. Tell the remaining 27 EU members " get stuffed we're leaving ,we pay nothing".
2. Tell Nicola Sturgeon " A breakaway from the UK means all handouts from the UK treasury stops"
3. All people from other countries wishing to settle here must swear allegiance to the British Crown & be able to speak English.
4. All immigrants must have a job to come to.
5. No one will be allowed to walk our streets wearing clothing that disguises their features.
In other words a PM who will stand up for British values.
Where do we find such a person ?
Krom, we know the unions elected him, but the unions aren't elected members of parliament. You definitely said that such is his lack of support that his choice of cabinet is limited.
//Also, your quote about business is a soundbite and doesn't mean anything in terms of what they will actually do.//
Not with you. I’ve formed my opinion on what they’ve said they will actually do. Should I not believe them?
//Also, your quote about business is a soundbite and doesn't mean anything in terms of what they will actually do.//
Not with you. I’ve formed my opinion on what they’ve said they will actually do. Should I not believe them?
Kromo; Wise man say, he who quotes Snopes get egg on face.
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