Come On, Girls!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Nobody should tell a woman what to wear, yes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40218711

[andy-hughes]

kvalidir - Thank you for your support of my point.

I don’t know any Muslim ladies personally – although as stated, I don’t think that bars me from an opinion – I don’t know any Nazis, but I have an opinion about the Holocaust, as I so often have to repeat.

Interestingly though, my wife knows dozens of Muslim ladies very well, she works with them in their own homes, and she often comments how, in front of men they wear their abayas, but behind closed doors with women only present, they strip them off to reveal designer western clothing and jewellery – not much ‘oppression’ there – just simple expediency.

But then, I don’t think everyone is either ‘free’ or ‘oppressed’ – the world is just not that simple.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, your opinion on this subject can be likened to arguing that 2 + 2 = 5. That might be your ‘opinion’, but it’s simply wrong. I wouldn’t mind so much if you took the trouble to check your argument out to ensure that you’re getting it right, but you don’t. You just insist that your opinion is a valid as anyone else’s but it isn’t. 2 + 2 does not equal 5.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - Your perception of my posts is just that - your perception, and just because you think I am wrong does not make it so.

That is a simple fact that you wilfully fail to grasp - but never mind, you are just as entitled to be wrong sometimes as I am.

The difference is, I don't sneer at you for it.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, No perceptions. I read what you write. And disagreeing with you doesn't equate to sneering. That perception is your problem, not mine.

[Peter Pedant]

// The argument that the burka is worn by oppressed women is entirely spurious – we have no way of knowing the percentage of Muslim women who wear a burka from choice,...//

some of these arguments have been over-thought.
we have no idea how many people were forced to wear a yellow star in liberated territories ( liberated by the Germans that is!) - as some of them could have been doing it voluntarily...

Yikes !

and the Nazi salute and swastika were banned in Germany and also Holland - and this was equally oppressive ....

double yikes !

[andy-hughes]

Peter - I am not sure if you are simply being mischievous, but if you think comparing a burka and a yellow star are comparable ... well I don't believe you do think that, so I think you are off on some trip of your own, which is not uncommon.

[pixie374]

I have to agree with naomi about the Burka. It literally is for oppression. In all the Muslim families I know (obviously not all of them), the women either flatly refuse to wear them, or do so because "it's too much hassle not to". I don't know a single person that wears it out of totally free choice. Your comment there, Andy, that they choose to remove them in private, doesn’t really help your argument. It implies they are wearing it for other people's benefit and not their own.

And to the OP- best of luck to them.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes needs to take a stroll through the Cairo markets and have a look at the underwear stalls where hordes of burka-clad ladies scrabble for the gaudy frills and tassels! What is required on the outside isn’t required in private!

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes needs to take a stroll through the Cairo markets and have a look at the underwear stalls where hordes of burka-clad ladies scrabble for the gaudy frills and tassels! What is required on the outside isn’t required in private! //

Why do you think I need to do that?