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...but is this an accident or another incident?
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> I don't believe for one moment it was a Terrorist Attack, more of a Revenge Attack
Revenge against whom or what?
There is such a thing as a lone wolf terror attack ... the Westminster attack perpetrated by Khalid Masood being an example. Masood was undoubtedly a terrorist, so what made him that? Perhaps that he was "inspired" or "brainwashed" by Islamists, or perhaps that he sought to "inspire" others to perpetrate similar act, or both.
In the case of the mosque attack last night, we don't yet know anything about the attacker, who or what inspired him, and whether he seeks to inspire others to perpetrate similar acts, so it's impossible to say whether it was a terrorist attack or not at this stage. Anybody who does describe him as a terrorist (without knowing anything about him) is probably drawing the conclusion that his acts are designed to inspire others to take "revenge" against ... what, any Muslim? ... which is a dangerous assumption at this point.
Revenge against whom or what?
There is such a thing as a lone wolf terror attack ... the Westminster attack perpetrated by Khalid Masood being an example. Masood was undoubtedly a terrorist, so what made him that? Perhaps that he was "inspired" or "brainwashed" by Islamists, or perhaps that he sought to "inspire" others to perpetrate similar act, or both.
In the case of the mosque attack last night, we don't yet know anything about the attacker, who or what inspired him, and whether he seeks to inspire others to perpetrate similar acts, so it's impossible to say whether it was a terrorist attack or not at this stage. Anybody who does describe him as a terrorist (without knowing anything about him) is probably drawing the conclusion that his acts are designed to inspire others to take "revenge" against ... what, any Muslim? ... which is a dangerous assumption at this point.
///. Anybody who does describe him as a terrorist (without knowing anything about him) is probably drawing the conclusion that his acts are designed to inspire others to take "revenge" against ... what, any Muslim? ... which is a dangerous assumption at this point///
Is that pretty much what the Manchester and London attackers did, attacked ... what, any passing White Face ... or Infidel as they see us?
Yes, precisely Baldric ... and they were terrorists.
"Revenge" is "the action of hurting or harming someone in return for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands". Last night, the attacker did not know the people he ploughed into (including the one on the floor already having a heart attack!), so it was hardly revenge. It was a lot more indiscriminate, and therefore closer to terrorism. Of course it may not be terrorism, it may be some nutter, especially if he was a relative of a terrorism victim - he might get off with something like "manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility" rather than "terrorist".
To even suggest revenge (rather than "indiscriminate attack") is to equate "Muslim" with "terrorist", which isn't going to be accepted by the police or mainstream political parties. Exactly as murdering any "passing White Face" is not going to be accepted either.
"Revenge" is "the action of hurting or harming someone in return for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands". Last night, the attacker did not know the people he ploughed into (including the one on the floor already having a heart attack!), so it was hardly revenge. It was a lot more indiscriminate, and therefore closer to terrorism. Of course it may not be terrorism, it may be some nutter, especially if he was a relative of a terrorism victim - he might get off with something like "manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility" rather than "terrorist".
To even suggest revenge (rather than "indiscriminate attack") is to equate "Muslim" with "terrorist", which isn't going to be accepted by the police or mainstream political parties. Exactly as murdering any "passing White Face" is not going to be accepted either.
I'm not really sure what to make of the responses of "I'm not surprised", or "It could have been so much worse than this, or "I'm amazed at the restraint" (at only running down a dozen people?), or "who can blame people [for wanting to exact revenge on Muslims indiscriminately]?"
I was hoping to see unconditional condemnation.
I was hoping to see unconditional condemnation.
> it or not that is what many have done and who can blame them
I would suggest that anybody doing that in public, especially in writing on a public forum like this, is going to be in danger of a visit from the authorities. At least for inciting racial hatred, at worst for promoting terrorism. That's where this is headed if it continues in this direction.
I would suggest that anybody doing that in public, especially in writing on a public forum like this, is going to be in danger of a visit from the authorities. At least for inciting racial hatred, at worst for promoting terrorism. That's where this is headed if it continues in this direction.
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/// AOG.........perhaps you need to be more selective when it comes to news items. Did your DM say anything about lynchings, attempted or otherwise ? ///
My report on the violence shown to the perpetrator is really getting to you isn't it mikey?
When are you going to admit these people don't act in the same placid way that we Brits do, look how they reacted over the tower fire, punching the police etc, and they would have certainly lynched May if they could have got to her, don't know if any of them were arrested but I very much doubt it.
/// AOG.........perhaps you need to be more selective when it comes to news items. Did your DM say anything about lynchings, attempted or otherwise ? ///
My report on the violence shown to the perpetrator is really getting to you isn't it mikey?
When are you going to admit these people don't act in the same placid way that we Brits do, look how they reacted over the tower fire, punching the police etc, and they would have certainly lynched May if they could have got to her, don't know if any of them were arrested but I very much doubt it.
> What do you call indiscriminate murder of people for the "crime" of merely being an infidel?
I call it murder or terrorism as appropriate.
> I am frankly amazed at people like can you not see that some in our society would react in this way?
I can see it, and I can see that it's also [attempted] murder or terrorism. Ploughing a van into a group of people tending to a man having a heart attack ... I don't see how you could call it anything else, unless the attacker was deranged.
I call it murder or terrorism as appropriate.
> I am frankly amazed at people like can you not see that some in our society would react in this way?
I can see it, and I can see that it's also [attempted] murder or terrorism. Ploughing a van into a group of people tending to a man having a heart attack ... I don't see how you could call it anything else, unless the attacker was deranged.
