I Take It They Are Not Worried About Housing Then.

[webbo3]

there is a housing shortage in London, so instead of a pub they can make a few flats for the residents of Grenfell to move into if they want it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4763298/London-planners-insist-new-flats-gay-bar.html


Dave.

[dannyk13]

ZM, yes, I did read your link but I still think that opening a new gay bar is not commercial viable and will probably close in the future.I can remember when the first gay bar opened in my home town but most of the gays preferred to drink in the bars that they had always used.In these enlightened times is there really a need for separate establishments.

[gingejbee]

sp...but it IS a big deal for those whose prejudices aren't being catered for.....

[Zacs-Master]

That's a whole different stance to concluding they're not needed, Danny. Glad to,see your arguing from an informed POV now at least.

[sp1814]

In these enlightened times is there really a need for separate establishments.

Yes there is.

Bars and clubs are where young people not only go out to drink, but also to meet and chat up new people.

Gay people cannot do that in regular bars, for obvious reasons.

The role of the gay bar is diminishing, but it won't go away completely.

Refer back to hc4361's excellent Weatherspoons point on the previous page.

[albaqwerty]

I do hope someone can tell me I'm wrong but I'm sure I've heard/read news reports within the last 50 years of some 'straight' men who loathe/despise/hate gay men go into a known gay bar and leave with the 'chatted up' guy only to abuse or murder him?

I agree with JTH, ALL public places should be safe for ALL people.

[whiskeryron]

//Gay bars don't ban heterosexuals from going in......not until they start behaving like gonks, in any case. It's polite to call them Gay bars, so that anyone passing through the doors isn't going to be 'outraged' by what they see in there. //. No it is not polite to call them Gay Bars, it is discriminate. If so called Gay people want responsible recognition then stop this obvious reference to them at every opportunity that comes along. I am one of the few very elderly people who now welcomes them as normal human beings, but like most people on here I am sick to the back teeth of constantly being reminded of their very existence. Come on guys you are part of the human race get used to it.

[Zacs-Master]

' I am one of the few very elderly people who now welcomes them as normal human beings, but like most people on here I am sick to the back teeth of constantly being reminded of their very existence'

A new definition of hippocrasy perhaps?

[trt]

## You are bothered about things you don't watch being on the TV? Curious. ##

Correct JTH,
As I pay my tv licence fee, I am in my rights to complain, and IMO, there was just to much of the same thing.
I think one night on BBC Ch4, the whole night was taken up with it.
Bye for now sweetie x :-)

[whiskeryron]

// new definition of hippocrasy perhaps?// please check spelling.!!!

[jackthehat]

A whole night...?!?!

Wowser......

As a licence-payer, I quite enjoyed it. :o)

[Zacs-Master]

So it's only my spelling your criticising is it? Good.

[whiskeryron]

Strangely so did I. JTH

[sp1814]

whiskeryron

Surely you get the point that bars need to inform patrons as to what they are?

Gay friendly establishments need to let the general public know what they are, so that people coming in can know that they can chat up or flirt with a member of the same sex, and they can be sure that sexually, they are both in the same place.

Did you see the Weatherspoons point made earlier?

[albaqwerty]

if you can access the internet, you can access a whole load of channels to watch.

[Peter Pedant]

blimey you are all welcome down Canal St manch
especially the gurlz - hanz free
you can drink unmolested

the last straight pub I went into slug and Lettuce opposite the royal exchange - I couldnt believe what the men were getting up to - the one down quay street is OK by comparison
(overpowering in your face behaviour)
The play I was gonna see was The Suppliants and I thought it would be better named the Survivors

(yeah OK not many of the pub goers were theatre goers)

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat
/// Does your TV only have a couple of channels, trt? ///

Why should licence payers have to watch other channels, just because the BBC chooses to kowtow to yet another minority group?

[whiskeryron]

I think a Pub is a Pub is a Pub. no need to segregate.

[New Judge]

“youngmafbog

You're mistaken.

It's not a gay bar.

It's a gay friendly bar.”

All the pubs I’ve ever used (and I’ve been in a few!) have been “gay friendly”. I have never been into a pub where gay people have been unwelcome or treated any differently to straight people. Of course that could be because few people, except perhaps the friends that they are with, would know the sexuality of any of the customers. The gay friends that I have no more demonstrate their sexuality when in a pub than I do.

What is really meant by a “gay friendly” bar is one frequented exclusively by gay people who exhibit considerably different behaviour to most people (straight or gay). If there was a section of the straight community who behaved so differently they may well demand their own establishments. But I cannot think of any who do.

[trt]

## if you can access the internet, you can access a whole load of channels to watch.##

Is this breaking news Alba?

[whiskeryron]

Hear Hear NJ.