Jacob Rees-Mogg

[scooping]

At a complete loss about the so-called 'fury'. A staunch Catholic says he's against abortion and people are shocked? What next, Pope is a Catholic shock? Ridiculous, manufactured, insulting to Catholics. Tomorrow's front page: "Man found in bed with his wife"?

[andy-hughes]

davegosling - //If you support abortion for any reason, you can't be a Catholic. //

If you are baptised as a Catholic, then a Catholic is what you are.

You may not be the kind of Catholic that the church would like you to be because of some of your views, but that does not stop you being what you are by baptism.

It's not a club, they don't bar you if you break the rules.

[douglas9401]

Indeed, RCs are sent to the equivalent of the naughty step when excommunicated rather than banished to far off heathen territories.

Those claws are in deep. :)

[Garaman]

It depends what you want to believe. If I stick a friend’s head under water and tell him he is now a garamana for life, he doesn’t have to believe that.

[naomi24]

//they don't bar you if you break the rules.//

They have been known to do just that.

[davegosling]

"It's not a club, they don't bar you if you break the rules."

Yes it is, and yes the do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication

[davegosling]

"It depends what you want to believe."

That's right. And Rees-Mogg wants to believe in the Catholic religion, which means he cannot be in favour of abortion irrespective of the circumstances.

[andy-hughes]

davegosling - A fair point well made.

I did not think through my argument, and I am happy to stand corrected.

As an atheist, I find it difficult to reconcile almost all aspects of faith - including the notion that a faith in God can be 'rescinded' by people on earth - which is what excommunication entails.

[davegosling]

Just goes to prove what a lot of outdated nonsense it is!

[andy-hughes]

And on that, we absolutely agree!!!

[-Talbot-]

He as a SOH

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/887610864454520832

[-Talbot-]

*h ^

[gulliver1]

Is JRM married?

[cashier]

Jacob Rees Mogg and his wife have just had their 6th child, Talbot

[cashier]

Sorry that should have been Gulliver, damn page jumped

[jourdain2]

Ever so slightly, Gulliver, just had his 6th child. Says Mrs. R-M may have something to say about any more.

For what it's worth, I tend to agree with him unless the mother's life is in danger or there are other extreme circumstances.

[DTCwordfan]

sextus, such a daft name for your sixth child, a boy, - I guess a girl would have been called 'sexia' - anyway, this man wants to be PM, no way, José......

[andy-hughes]

jourdain - //For what it's worth, I tend to agree with him unless the mother's life is in danger or there are other extreme circumstances. //

'Extreme circumstances' is a seriously wide concept, and I believe it is a judgement that the mother should be free to make, not for others not make for her.

[Kromovaracun]

I presume (and hope) that he doesn't share the catholic church's stance on raping children....

But if he can discover the critical faculties necessary to disagree with his church on that, I don't see why he can't when it comes to other things.

[naomi24]

Krom, one is doctrine - the other isn't. Play fair.

[Smowball]

Genuine question so don't shout - so is he saying that if a 12 yr old girl is raped and falls pregnant then she has to carry on with the pregnancy and give birth to the child?