This Puts The Gay Issues In The Civilised World Into Context...

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41645281

[-Talbot-]

sp, there's more than TTT on this thread.

[-Talbot-]

sp ''but you would feel more concerned about what had happened to you because it was local to you''



All I can say is you must think America is local to you because every time someone's house burns down in America you have a point of view ... a house burns down in Chechneya and you have no interest.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//There are still random attacks. //

Indeed there are. And there will be more of them as the number of people with Chechnyan views in this country increases.

[naomi24]

//And there will be more of them as the number of people with Chechnyan views in this country increases. //

Don't be silly, v_e. We all know they abandon their anti-social ideas and become model citizens of the west the minute they set foot on our shores.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Silly old me, I'd forgotten the instantaneous civilising effect of putting one's feet on English soil.

Thanks for reminding me, Naomi.

[naomi24]

My pleasure dear chap.

[Khandro]

v_e; I think you are being just a tad cynical here, if I was told that having my little finger chopped off would save the entire population of China, I would declare, without hesitation, 'go ahead, no problem' Afterwards I would say, like the remarkable Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg - he of the Hitler bomb attempt - after being strafed by the RAF in north Africa and losing his left eye, his right hand and the 4th and 5th fingers of his left hand, "I had too many of them anyway".

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

You make it sound as if I ignore what’s been happening in Chechnya.

Would you like me to provide a link which disproves this?

From an earlier thread?

Last time Chechnya was mentioned?

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

Here you go.

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1558813-2.html

[vetuste_ennemi]

The ethical philosophers continues thus, Khandro:

"To prevent, therefore, this paltry misfortune to himself, would a man of humanity be willing to sacrifice the lives of a hundred millions of his brethren, provided he had never seen them? Human nature startles with horror at the thought, and the world, in its
greatest depravity and corruption, never produced such a villain as could be capableof entertaining it. But what makes this difference? When our passive feelings are almost always so sordid and so selfish, how comes it that our active principles should often be so generous and so noble? When we are always so much more deeply affected by whatever concerns ourselves, than by whatever concerns other men; what is it which prompts the generous, upon all occasions, and the mean upon many, to sacrifice their own interests to the greater interests of others? It is not the soft power of humanity, it is not that feeble spark of benevolence which Nature has lighted up in the human heart, that is thus capable of counteracting the strongest impulses of self-love. It is a stronger power, a more forcible motive,
which exerts itself upon such occasions. It is reason, principle, conscience, the inhabitant of the breast, the man within, the great judge and arbiter of our conduct."

I think you might like that.

I'm citing a work called The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Its author is better known for a work on pounds, shillings and pence.

[-Talbot-]

I was well aware that you had taken part in that thread, sp.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

Okay.

[scooping]

Fed up with whole LSBTQ agenda. Don't give a monkey's who people sleep with. And it makes me cringe when someone like a football player 'comes out'. Stick your willie, or your lady parts, anywhere you like matey. Why should I care? There are, however, a few serious questions. One is that the Blair administrations operated on the premise that one in ten people were 'gay'. This was not, and is not, true. The Brown/Cameron/May governments operated, and operate, on the percentage that one in a hundred people were, and are, non-heterosexual. I can (potentially) sleep with who I like but I am damned that it's anyone else's business. My second point is sensitive but I would like to know what the 'success rate' has been over the past ten/fifteen years in relation to LGBTQ adoptions compared with 'straight' adoptions of children. I suspect (but would be happy to be wrong) that LSBTQ parents might be more prone to separating than 'straight' couples. I really do hope that is not the case but I do wonder. Even if LGBTQ parents have a smaller 'success' rate than heterosexual couples that could easily not be their fault. Perhaps their charges were bullied at school. What makes me more a little curious about this is that you can't find the figures.

[sp1814]

scooping

Where to begin, where to begin.

[sp1814]

scooping

//And it makes me cringe when someone like a football player 'comes out'.//

Just as well that no current footballers have actually come out.

//One is that the Blair administrations operated on the premise that one in ten people were 'gay'.//

In what way?

//The Brown/Cameron/May governments operated, and operate, on the percentage that one in a hundred people were, and are, non-heterosexual. I can (potentially) sleep with who I like but I am damned that it's anyone else's business.//

Good for you.

Here's the thing. You saw this thread title and you went into it to tell everyone that you're fed up of the subject. Have you ever thought of not joining threads that you don't want to read about?

The last part of your post is just a load of utter ***.

[ToraToraTora]

SP: "Do you really think that's all the goes on here? " - no but it's not state policy, no doubt many people are picked on including me, after all I commit the worst possible crime in PC Britain, but gays do not have the monopoly on mis treatment. I'd rather be a gay in Britain than almost anywhere else.

[sp1814]

TTT

I agree with you there. We are leagues ahead of most countries.

However, I still strongly believe that my analogy stands.

[sp1814]

TTT

You wrote:

//gays do not have the monopoly on mis treatment.//

Nope. You're right, but no-one is claiming they do.

The elderly, disabled, minorities, the poor, women and a whole host of others are mistreated and there are groups who stand up for them too.

[Spicerack]

Fancy pointing us to that previous thread, Sp..
Your participation let Douglas utter the immortal line,
'This is like a refresher for my knot tying badge back in the day. :)'
That made me laugh and then the thread got even funnier.
Jim, trying to salvage something from his appalling Chechnya faux-pas, says it happens in Christian countries too. Which African country does our Jim pick as an example, (drum roll)..... Nigeria. Lol.
"Probably something to do with all the American Christian Fundamentalist preachers there."
Well, I'll grant you that's one possibility there, Jim.
But I'll go for the Imams in the Mosques and the fact they have shariah law in several Nigerian states.

[naomi24]

SP to Scooping, //Here's the thing. You saw this thread title and you went into it to tell everyone that you're fed up of the subject. Have you ever thought of not joining threads that you don't want to read about? //

I'm pretty fed up with it too. I'm guessing it's okay to say that.