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[Islay]

Top welsh labour politician Carl Sargeant is found dead

[Togo]

Quite Mikey. In the meantime perhaps the hysterical should just keep quiet.

[pixie374]

No idea, Naomi (sorry, was driving). Unfortunately has made himself look guilty as sin now. We probably won't ever know.

[-Talbot-]

its not possible to keep all the details quite,



What details do we know about the Carl Sargeant accusations?
Bizarre that he was pressured to step down without being told what he was accused of ... also bizarre that he actually agreed to step down.

[mikey4444]

Togo....it depends on what is termed "hysterical"

Pandora's box has been opened here and its not going to be easy to ram the lid on again.

[DTCwordfan]

probably not, unless he has left a note for family and they contact the Press.

[Baldric]

ITV News have just said he took his own Life.

[Togo]

Mikey that post was just a vehicle. I did however a week or so ago predict a pecking party where everybody needs to be in the film. We have been encouraged to tell tales by every public body for the last 2 or 3 decades, all in the name of political correctness and equality. Even the police are in on the act. This is not the beginning of the end. It is however perhaps the end of the beginning.

[naomi24]

Mikey, //its not possible to keep all the details quite, especially when someone has been dismissed from their duties, suspended from his Party, as was the case with Sargeant. //

Listening to the Labour spokesman (forgotten his name) on television just now, he said that the party has no option but to suspend anyone who has been accused. It seems, guilty or not, and before any investigation has been carried out, that's what happens.

[mikey4444]

How can someone be investigated, if they are still in post, and doing their job ?

Suspension while any investigation is going on is the normal way of going about these things.

[naomi24]

Mikey, if you knew that why did you say "especially when someone has been dismissed from their duties, suspended from his Party, as was the case with Sargeant."?

[Togo]

I just wanted to know why he said quite, when perhaps quiet was in order.

[Paul22118]

Guilty or not - I wonder if the women who made the allegations can now sleep at night.

[naomi24]

Togo, probably something along the lines of then and than. ;o)

Paul, I thought exactly the same.

[andy-hughes]

Paul221118 - // Guilty or not - I wonder if the women who made the allegations can now sleep at night. //

I doubt they are sleeping anyway, in the light of what is happening to them.

But if you are inferring - as I read your post - that they should feel guilty that this man has taken his life, then no, they should not.

Suicide is a personal decision made by someone past being helped by anyone around them - no individual should ever shoulder the blame for a death by suicide.

[pixie374]

Is it their fault now? You say "guilty or not" as if it makes no difference... if he is, hopefully they will sleep better. If not, they probably won't.

[naomi24]

Pixie, but what if he only briefly touched someone's knee or something like that and they've jumped on the currently rolling bandwagon and made a fuss about it? Sleep can't be easy in those circumstances surely. Just a hypothetical 'what if?' - but what if? Awful really.

[pixie374]

I have no idea what has or hasn't happened, so no opinion on whether it's awful or not.

[pixie374]

That would be awful if that's all it is- he didn't appear to think so though.

[Mamyalynne]

No 'what ifs' from me, those who need to know will know when the time is right.

[naomi24]

Pixie, None of us know what happened, but there's an awful (and I mean awful) lot of accusations flying about at the moment and I do worry that people jump on bandwagons - because they do.