Brexit Date To Be Set By Statute.....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41936428
The EU clearly do not want to negotiate so we're off, well done Mrs May. So much for the "we'll never leave" brigade.

[ToraToraTora]

yes eddie that's why I said "to Be" in the title. She'll have to whip it and she'll have to get the Irish Tories involved but she has enough.

[jim360]

And besides, if a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.

[Togo]

Notice the "anything negative about Britain" brigade are still popping off. Mrs May has here challenges, but why not focus on the facts that Spain is only a few short steps from civil war, Germany still has no "official" government, the Dutch government is struggling to function, Italy faces chaos in next years elections, Greece is a basket case economy, the Balkan states are in open rebellion against the EU edicts, Sweden's so called socialist utopia is tearing itself apart under the strain of enforced "integration" and the French are nervously looking over their shoulders at the disastrous election of a shallow, vain teacher's pet. This is the rapidly unravelling pyramid scheme that the "moaners" would shackle us to for ever. Britain will thrive and prosper without the EU millstone around it's neck and the EU will sink without trace when they are deprived of the huge sums of money it was stealing from the hard working British people.

[naomi24]

I sense an air of panic around here this morning.

[youngmafbog]

Sure is Naomi, Project Fear Phase XIV soon to be delivered I think.

[jim360]

More like Project "Disentangling a close relationship developed over 40 years or so that has profound repercussions on our law and relationships with most of the world's countries to say nothing of the EU is kind of tricky and worth spending a little time on to get right".

Although I agree it's not such a catch title.

[naomi24]

//the EU is kind of tricky //

That bit I'll agree with.

[jim360]

So, Naomi, what do you think of my points?

"I'll agree"

Ah, so nice of you to say!

#massivelyoutofcontextquoting

[naomi24]

//So, Naomi, what do you think of my points? //

I told you the bit I agree with - therefore it follows that the rest I disagree with. Can't see the problem, Jim. ;o)

[Khandro]

jim// And besides, if a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy. //
You have a strange view of democracy, if a democracy can "change its mind" all the time, it's no longer democracy, it's anarchy.

[jim360]

Actually, Khandro, that was David Davis' view.

[Togo]

//on our law and relationships with most of the world's countries//

That Jim is the thing in a nutshell. We have no laws of our own, and no "relationships" with the rest of the World's Countries. Everything we do has to be "allowed" by a set of secret, unelected, committees that rig every decision to give themselves greater power and wealth at our expense. Time to pull the rug from under their well shod feet.

[-Talbot-]

Togo
Germany still has no "official" government


Many here are saying another election is very likely

[jim360]

"We have no laws of our own, and no "relationships" with the rest of the World's Countries."

Both of those things are completely false. Our laws are, for sure, influenced by the EU, but they are still our laws because we chose them to be so. Even as far as EU law goes it still leaves plenty of laws for ourselves. Ditto our foreign relationships -- and anyway, the UK has its own (permanent) seat in the UN Security council, its own foreign policy, its own army etc. Even if those things stop being true, it would again be only after we chose them to no longer be true.

Engage in hyperbole all you like, but both of those points are categorically false and should be acknowledged as such.

[Togo]

// Even if those things stop being true, it would again be only after we chose them to no longer be true. //

Exactly and unless we come out of the EU, things like our own army and foreign policy will be things of the distant past. There is already a covert policy within the EU for a central EU army, of course commanded by the Germans no doubt, and we will not even be allowed to invite the POTUS or the queen of Sheba for afternoon tea without the EU nod of agreement. The moaners constantly try to deflect the Brexit debate into one narrow subject, the one that no one can predict anyway, the economy. It was and is more than just that, it is British Sovereignty and independence from all despots, whether a collective or a dictatorial one. If Britain is such a bad place to be, the EU still exists, for now, for all the worshippers of it to inhabit.

[jim360]

I don't think Britain is a bad place to be, though. That's true today, it will be true in ten years, it was true before.

[Mamyalynne]

News that something is set to be happening will be a relief of sorts to all frustrated with lack of action -whether they are pleased about it or not.

Inertia makes folk very twitchy.

[New Judge]

"Even if those things stop being true, it would again be only after we chose them to no longer be true."

It depends how you define "choice", Jim.

If we "chose" to remain in the EU all those matters would be out of our control and beyond any choice we might like to make on any individual one. So the choice is one of only of two options really: to remain or leave.

[Khandro]

Straight from the horse's mouth;
http://brexitcentral.com/meeting-michel-barnier-guy-verhofstadt-ive-concluded-no-deal-will-better-deal/