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Hetrosexual men have been marrying for years. Not to each other though.
Of course it's not a marriage as such, it fails at the first hurdle of needing two genders.
If marriages of convenience to allow immigrants to stay, isn't legal, (they aren't are they ?) why would one for financial reasons be different ?
Of course it's not a marriage as such, it fails at the first hurdle of needing two genders.
If marriages of convenience to allow immigrants to stay, isn't legal, (they aren't are they ?) why would one for financial reasons be different ?
I’ll address your remarks, juhulaye, since you seem to believe you have a valid point.
“Would we be as welcoming for a floutation of the rules if it was an immigrant marrying to stay in this country?”
There is no floutation (sic) of the rules in the case in point. These gentlemen have married in accordance with the legislation. Conversely there are provisions in the 2014 Immigration Bill which aim to prevent migrants gaining an immigration advantage by entering into a sham marriage or civil partnership. Among (many) other things it says (Section 48):
48 Decision whether to investigate
[when asked to by a Superintendent Registrar]
(2) The Secretary of State must decide whether to investigate whether the proposed marriage or civil partnership is a sham.
So there is specific legislation aimed at curbing sham marriages to aid migration status whereas no such legislation exists to curb sham marriages designed to aid tax avoidance.
“And many immigrants have utilised the law to save their lives but your views are different in that situation for some reason.”
Of course this is pure supposition. In the few examples I have come across where marriage has been prevented under the 2014 Bill which I mentioned, the applicant has usually exhausted all avenues in his or her quest to remain in the UK. During that process the question of whether their life would be in jeopardy if leave to remain here had been denied would have been rigorously examined. The proposed marriage is therefore almost certainly a tool to thwart that decision and remain in the UK for other purposes than self-preservation.
Finally from my personal point of view I see the minimisation of one's tax bill to be of far greater importance than seeking to remain in a country illegally when you have been denied permission to settle there.
“Would we be as welcoming for a floutation of the rules if it was an immigrant marrying to stay in this country?”
There is no floutation (sic) of the rules in the case in point. These gentlemen have married in accordance with the legislation. Conversely there are provisions in the 2014 Immigration Bill which aim to prevent migrants gaining an immigration advantage by entering into a sham marriage or civil partnership. Among (many) other things it says (Section 48):
48 Decision whether to investigate
[when asked to by a Superintendent Registrar]
(2) The Secretary of State must decide whether to investigate whether the proposed marriage or civil partnership is a sham.
So there is specific legislation aimed at curbing sham marriages to aid migration status whereas no such legislation exists to curb sham marriages designed to aid tax avoidance.
“And many immigrants have utilised the law to save their lives but your views are different in that situation for some reason.”
Of course this is pure supposition. In the few examples I have come across where marriage has been prevented under the 2014 Bill which I mentioned, the applicant has usually exhausted all avenues in his or her quest to remain in the UK. During that process the question of whether their life would be in jeopardy if leave to remain here had been denied would have been rigorously examined. The proposed marriage is therefore almost certainly a tool to thwart that decision and remain in the UK for other purposes than self-preservation.
Finally from my personal point of view I see the minimisation of one's tax bill to be of far greater importance than seeking to remain in a country illegally when you have been denied permission to settle there.
jahulaye: "And many immigrants have utilised the law to save their lives but your views are different in that situation for some reason. " - ah the old, I'm talking BS but I can't admit it so I'll change the subject, ruse" - Ok I'll play, yes I am against the unfettered immigration and the way we don't handle it but I do not blame a single immigrant for taking advantage of EU/UK stupidity. In the same way I am not in favour of same sex marriage but I admire these two gents for utilising the law as it stands. Does that help?
If the legislation and the tax system allows the two men to marry, how are they cheats? There is a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion with, in the UK anyway, avoidance being lawful unless it is deemed to be "agressive."
No doubt the avoidance/evasion difference in Eire is similar if not the same.
No doubt the avoidance/evasion difference in Eire is similar if not the same.
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