Macron Admits France Would Vote To Frexit If They Were Given The Chance......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/907719/Macron-France-vote-to-LEAVE-EU-referendum-Brexit-Brussels-Marr
Is it immoral to suppress the will of the French people?

[Old_Geezer]

If it were true would he have got elected ?

[bhg481]

OG - I don't think that is a valid argument. In all my years of voting I don't think I've ever agreed with EVERY policy put forward by the candidate I voted for.

[ToraToraTora]

no OG, I doubt the subject even arose during the French GE.

[youngmafbog]

Well it is up to the French to find themselves a Le Nige or Le Donald to free themselves from the tyranny of the EUSSR.

No mainstream party would have given us the vote unless they were cornered into it.

[diddlydo]

On a related point (sort of) - John Bercow, the Speaker thinks it's not too late to stop Brexit - yippee!!! More power to his elbow although I don't normally agree with his politics.

[Kidas]

Just re-watching the full interview on Freeview Ch. 231. Saw the cut-down version on Marr earlier.

Macron said that the result *might* have gone the same way if France had held a similar yes/no referendum, but added that this was not the vote he wold have selected. And he would have fought hard to remain (implying that Cameron did not).

He also made it very clear that the EU will not permit access for the UK financial services business to the single market. That will damage the UK economy.

And that the deal the UK gets will, by definition, be worse than the one we have at present. The relationship will by definition, be less deep and strong.

With Merkel suffering her own domestic politics, Macron is the de facto political leader of the EU. He's not negotiating, but he is guiding the philosophy behind the negotiations.

We should listen carefully to what he says.

[ichkeria]

I saw that interview as well and what he had just said prior to that was that it is not appropriate to present simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ choices to complex questions. Saying that the ‘context’ was different in France us a puzzling statement that he didn’t really explain, but I think he was effectively saying that France has disaffected voters like every country but they would not have been daft enough to hold the future membership of the EU hostage to that. That is quite an honest statement. Macron has a very specific vision for the EU and it’s to hoped that vision prevails.

[youngmafbog]

//We should listen carefully to what he says.//

I agree. Cut all ties with the EUSSR now and get on with it. There will never be any agreement reached so why hang around while remoaners are pontificating?

[Kidas]

I fail to understand your reference to 'EUSSR'. There is no such thing. If you seek to make a facile comparison between the EU and the USSR, it fails on all counts.
The USSR was a totalitarian state. The EU is fully elected - elecct our MEPs.
The USSR forced its member states to join; Each member of the EU voted to join.
The USSR was a centrally-planned economy; the EU remains a market-based capitalist system.
The USSR had labour camps and gulags; the EU has no such entities
The USSR prevented free speech; the EU promotes it.

I could go on, but won't. Perhaps suffice to say that I had relatives who lived under the USSR regime. There is simply no comparison at all with the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

Not every argument, but EU is such a massive subject.

[emmie]

let them vote out, that would put the whole of the EU down the pan.

[youngmafbog]

//The EU is fully elected//

Hmmmm.

[-Talbot-]

Kidas
We should listen carefully to what he says.



Did you listen carefully to what he said on Trump?

[cassa333]

The EU want virtually free trade on goods because it is in their benefit to do so. They do not and will not give us reciprocal trade deal on financial services and such like because it will be to our benefit to do so.

So, do we want to be £20 down or unlimited £? up?

I go for up and walk away.

[ToraToraTora]

kidas: "The EU is fully elected" - PMSL! MEPs are elected but have no say in running the EU, that's done by the unelected corrupt commission.
"The USSR was a totalitarian state" - The EU is heading that way, hence EUSSR.

[Old_Geezer]

MEPs are just rubber stampers for a token image of democracy. They make no decisions as to what they discuss, what policy will be.

[ichkeria]

EUSSR is just a windup term tho admittedly pretty poor taste given the real plight of people who lived there: few people if any risked life and limb to migrate there. On the contrary they risked death to leave. And as for referendums on leaving or joining ...

[Kidas]

TTT
I expected people to raise the fact that the EU's 'faceless bureaucrat' officials are not elected. I agree.

But I put it to you that the Westminster system of SPADs and lobby groups is no better.

Guess why Carillion got all those contracts when they were going down the pan - the hidden system of power in this country, politicians giving contracts to their friends with no accountability and no transparent bidding process.

Think of the East Coast line contract; the Garden Bridge contract, any number of cntracts set up to provide wealthy political donots with more money for their own personal wealth.

[bhg481]

Kidas - I'm not one for picking-up people for typos/grammatical errors but, sometimes, an unintended mistake leads to an amusing post.

"provide wealthy political donots"

I'm assuming you meant "donors" but "donuts" could also fit the bill.

[Kidas]

Hi Talbot

yes, I did listen to what Macron said on Trump.

What I heard is that Trump is the President of the United States.

Macron has recognised the position Trump holds and retains respect for that position. Macron, like all the world leaders (including May) is willing to talk to him. Any other choice would be political stupidity.

As individuals, we can revile the man, or love him, but the politicians have no choice but to seek to manage his unusual political methods as best they can.

More to the point, Trump talks to Macron every week (according to Macron).

Sometimes Trump listens to Macron, sometimes he doesn't. I think everyone is seeking ways to manage Trump's excesses. It is not easy, but it seemed to me that Macron has got over whatever his personal reaction might be and is doing his best to temper Trump's worst excesses.