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Should ‘Britain First’ Now Be Banned ?
With the conviction of Darren Osbourne, evidence in court shows he was radicalised by visiting the Britain First website over several weeks.
He then went on to kill someone in a terrorist attack, and injury scores of others.
// But the trigger for the attack was far-right internet propaganda he had become obsessed with over just a few weeks. //
// Police said the 48-year-old became radicalised in just three to four weeks, as evidence from devices he used show him reading posts by the former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, far-right group Britain First and other extremists. //
Surely this shows that Britain First crosses the line from being a genuine protest group, and firmly places them in the position that they encourage terrorism, and indoctrinate gullible fools to commit murder.
Many muslim groups have been proscribed for less. They are on par with Scottish Dawn and should be treated similarly.
He then went on to kill someone in a terrorist attack, and injury scores of others.
// But the trigger for the attack was far-right internet propaganda he had become obsessed with over just a few weeks. //
// Police said the 48-year-old became radicalised in just three to four weeks, as evidence from devices he used show him reading posts by the former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, far-right group Britain First and other extremists. //
Surely this shows that Britain First crosses the line from being a genuine protest group, and firmly places them in the position that they encourage terrorism, and indoctrinate gullible fools to commit murder.
Many muslim groups have been proscribed for less. They are on par with Scottish Dawn and should be treated similarly.
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Khandro - // I won't bother putting it up, but Google; 'Gad Saad interview with Tommy Robinson, youtube'
Watch it, listen and learn, and then come back. //
Your preception of 'Tommy Robinson' as a 'good brave man' is simply your perception of him.
It is not going to be proved to me, or anyone else, by anything he says in any interview.
Watch it, listen and learn, and then come back. //
Your preception of 'Tommy Robinson' as a 'good brave man' is simply your perception of him.
It is not going to be proved to me, or anyone else, by anything he says in any interview.
spath - // He is brave... Brave enough to go out into public with ideology's so wild as his. //
I think ignorance and bigotry on the sort of stratospheric levels enjoyed by 'Tommy Robinson' must give you an inbuilt sense of superiority that is just this side of immortality. That explains why he can speak as he does.
That sort of confidence could be useful - what a shame it is mis-spent on being such an egotistical attention-seeking social agitator.
I think ignorance and bigotry on the sort of stratospheric levels enjoyed by 'Tommy Robinson' must give you an inbuilt sense of superiority that is just this side of immortality. That explains why he can speak as he does.
That sort of confidence could be useful - what a shame it is mis-spent on being such an egotistical attention-seeking social agitator.
"Surely this shows that Britain First crosses the line from being a genuine protest group, and firmly places them in the position that they encourage terrorism, and indoctrinate gullible fools to commit murder. "
I disagree. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the belief that the Koran inspired the other recent terrorist attacks (the ones committed by muslims in the name of Islam). Surely not!
Khandro - // "It is not going to be proved to me, or anyone else, by anything he says in any interview." Spoken like a true bigot. //
Not surprisingly, I am not minded to agree with your assessment of me - insulting and uncalled for as it is.
My point is, your view of 'Tommy Robinson' is yours to offer, and I disagree with it.
Listening to what he says is not going to prove, and the accent is on 'prove' to me that he is a 'good brave man' because that is a perception, not a fact.
God forbid that I am going to have to spend another day exhaustively explaining the difference between an opinion and a fact!
You can't prove an opinion, and that is what you are offering.
I am not saying I would not be convinced of 'Mr Robinson's points, I am saying it will not prove that he is a 'good and brave man.
I think the level of reasoning i am bringing rather disproves your perception that I am a bigot.
Not surprisingly, I am not minded to agree with your assessment of me - insulting and uncalled for as it is.
My point is, your view of 'Tommy Robinson' is yours to offer, and I disagree with it.
Listening to what he says is not going to prove, and the accent is on 'prove' to me that he is a 'good brave man' because that is a perception, not a fact.
God forbid that I am going to have to spend another day exhaustively explaining the difference between an opinion and a fact!
You can't prove an opinion, and that is what you are offering.
I am not saying I would not be convinced of 'Mr Robinson's points, I am saying it will not prove that he is a 'good and brave man.
I think the level of reasoning i am bringing rather disproves your perception that I am a bigot.
I'm not sure that this is the case to 'prove' BF should be banned.
The grass roots of this nutters actions appear to come from the BBC documentary, ISIS attacks and most of all the failures of the Police in the case of the Rotherham abuse scandal.
Some of this looks like the Police trying to deflect any failures of theirs onto BF.
However, that said, if BF have continually broken the law then yes the organisation needs to be banned. When this is done reasons should be clear and unequivocal with Muslim groups doing the same banned too. If you dont then all that will happen is BF will morph into another organisation and attract even more disgruntled nutters.
The grass roots of this nutters actions appear to come from the BBC documentary, ISIS attacks and most of all the failures of the Police in the case of the Rotherham abuse scandal.
Some of this looks like the Police trying to deflect any failures of theirs onto BF.
However, that said, if BF have continually broken the law then yes the organisation needs to be banned. When this is done reasons should be clear and unequivocal with Muslim groups doing the same banned too. If you dont then all that will happen is BF will morph into another organisation and attract even more disgruntled nutters.
The wish ban something is a staple stance of people who cannot deal with the issue intellectually, such calls should always be assessed with anxious scrutiny. The call for something to be "banned" should be the start of a mature and constructive political debate, and not the end of one.
andy-hughes. I didn't for one moment expect that you would follow my link, but I didn't expect even you to dismiss something of which you know nothing at all about, but then I live and learn, and this is AB.
andy-hughes. I didn't for one moment expect that you would follow my link, but I didn't expect even you to dismiss something of which you know nothing at all about, but then I live and learn, and this is AB.
Perhaps the whole point in the increase of such Far-Right groups such as the BF, is the fact that there is certainly some very growing problems in this country, mainly due to certain groups who have settled in this country, and since such problems can not be openly discussed without the fear of being rudely criticised and ridiculed or sometimes worse (some have even lost their jobs).
This then makes many very frustrated and instead of sitting back and seeing their country alter beyond all recognition, they then turn to those individuals who are prepared to openly voice their concerns.
The ironic part of all this is the fact that Far-Left groups can freely voice their own separate concerns freely.
This then makes many very frustrated and instead of sitting back and seeing their country alter beyond all recognition, they then turn to those individuals who are prepared to openly voice their concerns.
The ironic part of all this is the fact that Far-Left groups can freely voice their own separate concerns freely.
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