Body & Soul0 min ago
Let's Walk Away Now......
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It seems the evil empire is going to punish us for having the temerity to defy their dystopian dream.
It seems the evil empire is going to punish us for having the temerity to defy their dystopian dream.
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//"The Governance and Dispute Settlement Part of the Withdrawal Agreement should provide for a mechanism allowing the Union to suspend certain benefits deriving for the UK from participation in the internal market where it considers that referring the matter to Court of Justice of the EU would not bring in appropriate time the necessary remedies," the footnote says.//
"A mechanism"! Do you suppose that means Barmier himself? No due process required, he just has the power to inflict damage at will. Oh how he dreams of such. The time to walk away draws ever closer.
"A mechanism"! Do you suppose that means Barmier himself? No due process required, he just has the power to inflict damage at will. Oh how he dreams of such. The time to walk away draws ever closer.
Although I agree with you TTT the EU are just being the EU and we shouldn't be surprised at anything they want.
The trouble as I see it is that our own negotiating team don't actually know how to negotiate for our benefit.
They will say we don't understand the complexities of our involvement and that is true but we don't need to be shackled to laws and legislation that further restrict us after March 19.
The trouble as I see it is that our own negotiating team don't actually know how to negotiate for our benefit.
They will say we don't understand the complexities of our involvement and that is true but we don't need to be shackled to laws and legislation that further restrict us after March 19.
//Brussels will have the power to punish the UK at will during the Brexit transition period by closing off parts of the single market to British companies, according to a leaked legal document drawn up by the EU.
The 27 remaining member states want to be able to act against the UK without having to go through the potentially lengthy process of bringing cases to the European court of Justice, should Brussels come to the judgment that Britain has infringed EU law.//
They define this a negotiation. As is their way, secret plans laid to damage us if we are daft enough to let them.
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The 27 remaining member states want to be able to act against the UK without having to go through the potentially lengthy process of bringing cases to the European court of Justice, should Brussels come to the judgment that Britain has infringed EU law.//
They define this a negotiation. As is their way, secret plans laid to damage us if we are daft enough to let them.
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we walk away and mirror anything they do to punish us, the slap import duty on us, their mercs and beemers get a lot more expensive. Also we should dramatically cut corporation tax to attract the world companies to us. Business has no sweethearts in politics, in the end politicians will defer to big business.Barmpot and Juncket are getting away with murder because we sent a bunch of Pu55ies to "negotiate" we should be sending hard line brexiteers like Farage et al. No doubt the VB will be along soon to denigrate us.
You really don't want merchants controlling governments. That simply gives everyone an elite to push the masses around; rather than a democracy whereby the people decide what it's society should do. It's why freedom of movement of finance and people is not a good thing. Government must enact the wishes of the people, but needs to keep the economy in mind, and balance it with other priorities.
We can "Just Leave". Yes there are things to tie up but they can be achieved. Legally it was established a while back we dont have to pay them anything, personally I think we should take care of thinks directly relating to us like our MEP pensions but nothing else.
This is one of the main reasons many voted to leave; to get back control something the EU will never relinquish if they are given the chance.
Sometimes a clean break is what is necessary.
//Hang on. I thought it didn’t matter what the EU did as we’ve got the rest of the world queuing up to do trade with us. //
That is part of this problem, the EU say we cannot negotiate with them until the transition period is up, if we do they will arbitrarily punish us. Without doubt they would find some transgression however minor to enable them to carry out the 'punishment'. Got to keep the other countries in line somehow and with the absence of panzer's (although I'm sure Merkel is working on that) threats will have to suffice.
This is one of the main reasons many voted to leave; to get back control something the EU will never relinquish if they are given the chance.
Sometimes a clean break is what is necessary.
//Hang on. I thought it didn’t matter what the EU did as we’ve got the rest of the world queuing up to do trade with us. //
That is part of this problem, the EU say we cannot negotiate with them until the transition period is up, if we do they will arbitrarily punish us. Without doubt they would find some transgression however minor to enable them to carry out the 'punishment'. Got to keep the other countries in line somehow and with the absence of panzer's (although I'm sure Merkel is working on that) threats will have to suffice.
//we walk away and mirror anything they do to punish us//
Again, this fantasy that we're equal. We're not. The only economy bigger than the EU's is that of the USA. The EU is a far bigger proportion of our economy than the UK is of the EU economy. We don't have a vast overseas empire to turn to as we did during the war (which seems, incidentally, to be a Brexiteer's utopia). We're a foggy island that hardly produces anything.
Again, this fantasy that we're equal. We're not. The only economy bigger than the EU's is that of the USA. The EU is a far bigger proportion of our economy than the UK is of the EU economy. We don't have a vast overseas empire to turn to as we did during the war (which seems, incidentally, to be a Brexiteer's utopia). We're a foggy island that hardly produces anything.
I'm not sure what the size of the Economy has to do with it Krom. If we were of a mind to (and I dont think we should BTW) it would be easy to slap punitive tariffs on say Cars. This would hit the EU where it hurts; France and Germany.
The problem for the EU is that we do import more than we export and in addition our imports are mainly concentrated rather than spread across the EU as a whole.
Hitting each other with punitive tariffs would be crazy, but unfortunately Barnier & Junker are hell bent on punishing the UK for daring to leave their eutopia (and consequently leave them short of brass of course). If they do it we have little choice but to retaliate in some form or other.
The problem for the EU is that we do import more than we export and in addition our imports are mainly concentrated rather than spread across the EU as a whole.
Hitting each other with punitive tariffs would be crazy, but unfortunately Barnier & Junker are hell bent on punishing the UK for daring to leave their eutopia (and consequently leave them short of brass of course). If they do it we have little choice but to retaliate in some form or other.
Yes, ymb, and most of the world are members of regional trading blocs with similar rules to the EU about trading with outsiders. Those that aren't - the USA and China - are notoriously shark-like in negotiating trade deals. In a 'hard-Brexit' scenario Britain is going to be going to these major economies cap in hand, obviously desperate in a way that they are not. About the only advantage we have is that the current US administration is staffed overwhelmingly by people who are very inexperienced and (putting it bluntly) quite thick. So we might be able to swindle something there. That's about all we've got though.
