What Drugs Is This Guy On?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/932586/BBC-Question-Time-Salisbury-attack-shock-claim-audience-member-Brian-Cox-Brexit-news
Russian attack self inflicted to scupper brexit? right oh! I know the establishment isn't happy with brexit but this is a bit far fetched, surely!

[ichkeria]

I don’t have have an open mind on this and neither, if he is being honest, does jahulaye either.
The difference is that what I think is governed by what I have learned from people I trust. Jahukaye puts his trust in others, which his right and privilege. And I suspect will continue to do so when what little reasonable doubt currently lingers has evaporated. And why not? Endless speculation can be great fun

[sevenOP]

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/panic-warning-represents-hysteria-anxiety-terror-indicating-caution-alert-apprehension-45846330.jpg

[ichkeria]

How likely is it do you think that customs officers, even assuming they opened a case, would recognise and find a substance that it took even the scientists at Porton Down several days to identify?
But in any case (so to speak) the idea seems unlikely given that it probably needs to be prepared closer to the time of the hit. It is grimly fascinating

[Jahulaye]

“https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/5823981/nerve-agent-that-poisoned-sergei-skripal-was-planted-in-his-daughters-suitcase-before-she-left-russia/amp/”

Sooo they have the suitcase, the delivery method and evidence of the poison?

“THE nerve agent which poisoned a Russian double agent was planted in his daughter’s suitcase before leaving Moscow, it has been reported.”

How is it that they got infected went pub, restaurant and was affected many hours later after presumably opening the “suitcase” and getting a graceful of the nerve agent but the police officer more or less was affected straight away by minute traces from the victims?

[Jahulaye]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/5823981/nerve-agent-that-poisoned-sergei-skripal-was-planted-in-his-daughters-suitcase-before-she-left-russia/amp/

[Jahulaye]

“Russia has refused Britain’s demands to explain how Novichok, a nerve agent first developed by the Soviet military, was used against Sergei Skripal.”

First developed?

This is a clear indication that it’s been developed/replicated elsewhere does it not?

[sevenOP]

You think this is a game?

Difference between you,me, and I guess Jahulaye, is called an 'open mind'; willing to accept the facts when proven.
We are nothing like you emir.

[ichkeria]

Thanks spath.
That was presumably why the former ambassador was asked about it. That theory probably doesn’t apply, as I say, if the thing needs to be prepared from separate based and has a limited shelf life. How unbelievably reckless, if true tho, to do such a thing.
Mind you two Russian agents were let loose with polonium 210 in 2006, a substance they seemingly failed to realise was so dangerous (Lugovoy unwittingly exposed his son to it)

[ichkeria]

You don’t have an open mind either seven. You are a persistent and rather boring troll.

[Jahulaye]

The inquisitive squirrel finds the nuts.

The squirrel who relies on another hand to feed them stays hungry.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Things still busy in the parallel universe today I see!

Those who treat the current international situation like some big game of cluedo, dismissing their own democratically elected government and security services, and armed with "clues" provided only by the t'internet cannot be taken seriously.

[Jahulaye]

Those of us that question everything around them will have different opinions to those that believe everything around them

[sevenOP]

"You don’t have an open mind either seven. You are a persistent and rather boring troll. "

not as persistent and 'troll' calling as you.

"when proven" ... indeed. We await the proof.

[Jahulaye]

Back to the suitcase theory, was there any guarantee that the suitcase wasn’t going to be opened by customs in Russia,here by a family member or friend?

Too many variables and a sloppy way to achieve an objective of killing just those in question by state sponsored assassins imo

[ichkeria]

Spath: the Novichoks were originally developed by the soviet military at a facility in Krasnoyarsk and tested at a facility in Soviet Uzbekistan (amusingly in a place called Nukus!)
The post soviet Russian government then continued development up until the mid nineties . I believe I am right in saying that all the later post Soviet versions are binary agents as described earlier.

[ichkeria]

No you are right spath: the suitcase theory seems unlikely for the reason you say also. But then if it was in a gift that reasonably could only be consumed by her and or her dad it might be regarded as a risk worth taking. I suspect that the perpetrators had or have little concern for who else they might have affected anyway.