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Now even the Germans are daring to state the obvious;
"Islam does not belong to Germany. Germany is shaped by Christianity. This tradition includes work-free Sundays and church holidays and rituals such as Easter, Pentecost and Christmas.... My message is that Muslims have to live with us, not next to or against us." — Horst Seehofer, Germany's new interior minister
"Many Muslims belong to Germany, but Islam does not belong to Germany. Islam is at base a political ideology that is not compatible with the German Constitution." — Beatrix von Storch, Alternative for Germany (AfD)
Is it not time for the British government to make similar assertions?
"Islam does not belong to Germany. Germany is shaped by Christianity. This tradition includes work-free Sundays and church holidays and rituals such as Easter, Pentecost and Christmas.... My message is that Muslims have to live with us, not next to or against us." — Horst Seehofer, Germany's new interior minister
"Many Muslims belong to Germany, but Islam does not belong to Germany. Islam is at base a political ideology that is not compatible with the German Constitution." — Beatrix von Storch, Alternative for Germany (AfD)
Is it not time for the British government to make similar assertions?
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jahu.. // friendly moderate religion followers have a place.//
I think everyone on here would agree with that, the trouble is, even with the 'moderates' whatever you do, whatever concessions you make, they always want more, and also these 'moderates' turn out when asked, to not condemn the atrocities carried out in their name.
I think everyone on here would agree with that, the trouble is, even with the 'moderates' whatever you do, whatever concessions you make, they always want more, and also these 'moderates' turn out when asked, to not condemn the atrocities carried out in their name.
It is worth remembering at this point that many of the terrorist attacks we have endured were perpetrated by people who were converts to Islam and were not born into or brought up in the faith.
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andy-hughes //Start telling people that they don't 'fit in', and before long, they will prove it to you.//
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Khandro - // andy-hughes //Start telling people that they don't 'fit in', and before long, they will prove it to you.//
Like this? //
No, not like that.
An individual taking action legitimately is one thing - a government or government representative making antagonistic blanket statements to an entire section of the country is another.
Like this? //
No, not like that.
An individual taking action legitimately is one thing - a government or government representative making antagonistic blanket statements to an entire section of the country is another.
“I know many muslims, all peaceful loving people. Can they not have a religion simply because you say?”
They can have it, but not in Europe. There is no place in Europe for a religion which promotes the complete subjugation of women, the demonisation of homosexuality, the vilification of women who choose to dress “immodestly”, the indoctrination of children into its ways and the requirement for special courts to resolve matters which should be dealt with by the nation’s judicial system. All “peace loving” Muslims – including the “friendly and moderate” ones you mention, subscribe to these principles and, to a greater or lesser degree, denounce those, amongst whom they live, who do not support them. All of those principles are at total odds with those promoted in most European nations.
If any other large identifiable group subscribed to these principles they would be swiftly and mercilessly shot down. Instead Islam is cosseted and feted as if it is the second coming. Well the current wave is. It took the European nations 800 years to drive Islam out of Europe. Curiously even then – towards the end of the 15th Century – they became known as the “unassimilable community.” This time round it will not be quite so easy.
They can have it, but not in Europe. There is no place in Europe for a religion which promotes the complete subjugation of women, the demonisation of homosexuality, the vilification of women who choose to dress “immodestly”, the indoctrination of children into its ways and the requirement for special courts to resolve matters which should be dealt with by the nation’s judicial system. All “peace loving” Muslims – including the “friendly and moderate” ones you mention, subscribe to these principles and, to a greater or lesser degree, denounce those, amongst whom they live, who do not support them. All of those principles are at total odds with those promoted in most European nations.
If any other large identifiable group subscribed to these principles they would be swiftly and mercilessly shot down. Instead Islam is cosseted and feted as if it is the second coming. Well the current wave is. It took the European nations 800 years to drive Islam out of Europe. Curiously even then – towards the end of the 15th Century – they became known as the “unassimilable community.” This time round it will not be quite so easy.
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Question Author jahu.. // friendly moderate religion followers have a place.//
I think everyone on here would agree with that, the trouble is, even with the 'moderates' whatever you do, whatever concessions you make, they always want more, and also these 'moderates' turn out when asked, to not condemn the atrocities carried out in their name.”
Are you saying that more people saying that it’s wrong and condemning that behaviour= the terrorists stop doing what they’re doing?
Question Author jahu.. // friendly moderate religion followers have a place.//
I think everyone on here would agree with that, the trouble is, even with the 'moderates' whatever you do, whatever concessions you make, they always want more, and also these 'moderates' turn out when asked, to not condemn the atrocities carried out in their name.”
Are you saying that more people saying that it’s wrong and condemning that behaviour= the terrorists stop doing what they’re doing?
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andy-hughes
/// So it leads to trouble. ///
It already has,unless you haven't noticed all the atrocities, that have been committed under the name of Islam.
/// Start telling people that they don't 'fit in', and before long, they will prove it to you. ///
We haven't and they still don't fit in, or even want to do and they have sure proven it.
/// So it leads to trouble. ///
It already has,unless you haven't noticed all the atrocities, that have been committed under the name of Islam.
/// Start telling people that they don't 'fit in', and before long, they will prove it to you. ///
We haven't and they still don't fit in, or even want to do and they have sure proven it.
We have to remember the fear factor here, many living in terrorist nests fear for their and their families lives at publicly condemning terrorists, think Ireland and the ira and what happens to informers/ public condemners.
Would you living in a terrorist nest risk your life by public ally condemning those that rule your city/town with an explosive iron fist?
Many are even afraid to speak their minds here on this site do imagine the fear of death/ torture.
Hence why many use terrorist hotlines instead.
Would you living in a terrorist nest risk your life by public ally condemning those that rule your city/town with an explosive iron fist?
Many are even afraid to speak their minds here on this site do imagine the fear of death/ torture.
Hence why many use terrorist hotlines instead.
