The Effects Of Brexit

[mushroom25]

clearly whatever is decided in the next few years will proportionately affect the young more than other age groups. clearly they should be consulted.

but is including the opinions of people down to the age of seven a sensible thing to be doing?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/19/children-aged-seven-years-old-given-say-brexit-process-labour/

[cassa333]

No. Decisions like this are made by the voting age public at the time of any given vote.

To do otherwise makes a mockery of the voting system.

Children are not fully aware of the world around them and have, well basicly a childlike attitude to it.

[dannyk13]

I doubt that many seven year olds know what Brexit is.

[bhg481]

In all honesty this is such a stupid suggestion that it makes me think that the people who thought it up are not fit to hold public office.

[Old_Geezer]

No. It's an attempt to seem inclusive and maybe sway voters when they come of age. I'd also suspect an attempt to drive their view into the minds of impressionable youth. Another stupid act/gimmick.

[Old_Geezer]

No doubt someone will call for votes for seven year olds soon.

[Togo]

Perhaps we should hold séances and ask all the dead, who spent their lives making the UK one of the World's great Nations, what they think?

[Hopkirk]

Is it the beginning of April already?

[ToraToraTora]

Perlease!

[KARL]

This is a kind of graphic demonstration of why "democracy" as we know it is such a flawed form of government, asking people who have a very limited understanding of the implications of the outcome of an election/vote is a highly risky exercise. You may get a fortuitous outcome or a disaster, it probably does not matter much what the age of the electorate is, the votes will be cast on the basis of habit, influence from others rather than rational reasoning, emotion, "herd" effects, etc., etc. Would asking children produce a worse result than the present voter age group(s) ? Asking the long dead Greeks and Romans to vote in modern day Greece and Italy would be similarly remote from today's importance factors and the same applies to long dead Brits who might be inclined to imagine the UK is still important and/or a great nation. For the purpose of a single exercise, shifting minors to adulthood or someone knowing nothing of current realities into today's space and giving them functional power is a bit like tossing a coin over something deadly serious, it could go either way, one being potentially absurdly lucky and the other hideously reckless.

[emmie]

seven year old have enough on their plate i suspect with trying to make head nor tail or learning school subjects and Brexit wouldn't remotely be on the radar

[-Talbot-]

and the same applies to long dead Brits who might be inclined to imagine the UK is still important and/or a great nation.


There's some real nonsense posted on this site from time to time.

[Kidas]

European car makers call for urgent action to ensure UK can continue to participate in EU car market.

ACEA (The federation of European car makers) has issued a call to ensure that all car-related laws in the UK are compliant with EU type-approval laws.

"ACEA also recommends that the EU and the UK mutually recognise each other’s vehicle approvals after Brexit – something which would only be possible if the UK remains fully aligned with all relevant EU legislation."

http://www.acea.be/press-releases/article/brexit-eu-auto-makers-call-for-urgent-action-to-solve-sector-specific-issue

There is a position paper from ACEA:
http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/ACEA_Position_Paper-Brexit_2018.pdf

And a series of data:
http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/Brexit-facts_figures_2018.pdf

THis data may help to clarify some of the data surrounding the EU-UK trade in automotive sector.

Secondly, CEFIC, the EU federation of chemical manufacturers has today published its expectations that the UK chemical industry will be fully aligned with the EU after Brexit.

http://www.cefic.org/newsroom/top-story/Cefic-ECEG-and-industriAll-European-Trade-Union-call-for-a-smooth-trade-continuation-after-Brexit/

This is being repeated industry by industry.
Every industry is demanding that the UK activities are fully aligned with EU rules following Brexit. If we are not, then the UK economy will suffer significantly.

There may be opportunities in the world outside the EU, but to forego the certainty of trade with the EU for no benefit seems... perverse.

[dannyk13]

Kidas, what has all that to do with the OP?

[mushroom25]

kidas, have you posted on the wrong thread?

[Kidas]

Hi danny

it is about the effects of Brexit.

Not so much about the ages of those who decide.
Those statements were issued in the last couple of days, ahead of the summit later this week.

[dannyk13]

Yes, but this thread is about the idea of seven year olds having a say on Brexit.

[Kidas]

No - not the wrong thread.

I follow those industries closely. There has been relatively little comment from the industries up to now on the impact of Brexit.

I thought it might be helpful to put those official statements into the discussion.

Now we are seeing that industries across the spectrum are saying quite clearly that a hard Brexit will damage the UK economy.

[ToraToraTora]

KARL: "..and the same applies to long dead Brits who might be inclined to imagine the UK is still important and/or a great nation" - I see the anti British never mess a chance to knock the country, we are still the 6th economy Karl, still quite important. Still don't let the facts effect your bigotry eh?

[Kidas]

it's quite clear that the Telegraph article is click-bait, designed to trigger outrage among certain groups of people who are easily outraged. This is what newspapers do nowadays.

I thought I might try to inject some sanity into the discussion.

But maybe people want to be outraged and don't like sober reflection.

-Shrug-

[dannyk13]

Kidas, This is the wrong thread for your posts.You should start your own thread,