Would You Class The Eu As A " Tyranny "?

[ToraToraTora]

Clearly they are not openly using the traditional tyrannical methods but I assert that the imposition of arbitrary rules and a an unstoppable march to federalism by an unelected corrupt entity does constitute a form of Tyranny over independent democratic nations. What say you?

[Zacs-Master]

2....?.you haven’t even given one.

That’s just another fact without saying what the consequences are.

[fiction-factory]

I'm not a big fan at all of the EU but I think your statement "The EU is governed by the commission et al and they are not elected." is a little misleading in that they are nominated by member countries and there is some sort of voting/approval by the MEPS amd /ability to dismiss but I'd agree that in practice it seems to have a pretty free rein.
From WIkipedia:

"While the commission is the executive branch, the candidates are chosen individually by the 28 national governments, which means it is not possible for a commission member or president to be removed by a direct election. Rather, the legitimacy of the commission is mainly drawn from the vote of approval that is required from the European Parliament, along with its power to dismiss the body, which, in turn, raises the concern of the relatively low turnout (less than 50%) in elections for the European Parliament since 1999. While that figure may be higher than that of some national elections, including the off-year elections of the United States Congress, the fact that there are no elections for the position of commission president calls the position's legitimacy into question in the eyes of some.[84] The fact that the commission can directly decide (albeit with oversight from specially formed 'comitology committees') on the shape and character of implementing legislation further raises concerns about democratic legitimacy.[85]

[ToraToraTora]

sorry Togo, I have reinstated your BA thought it was on the other thread. Danny yours is also BA material but I had given it to Togo first.

[Togo]

""Common policies had diverged from voters preferences, and decision making mechanisms appear to lack the basic requirements of transparency, accountability and democratic involvement.""

Think migration "policies" there.

That is 3 so far. More?

[ichkeria]

The anti-EU brigade cannot make up their minds whether Brussels is some form of cunning, insidious force with an inexorable masterplan to subjugate humanity, or an incompetent bunch of bureaucrats.

So it is, it seems, in their minds, both. The ability to hold parallel, contradictory thoughts has not to date fallen a victim to Big Brother then :-)

[Togo]

//That’s just another fact without saying what the consequences are.//


Wriggle wriggle. Well at least we notice it as fact. The consequences are.......BREXIT. With more people liable to want the same opportunity to dump the despots.

[ToraToraTora]

the problem is ZM that you seem to qualify everything with "....that has effected our daily lives" - which has been answered many times. Most of this does not effect us day to day but neither does Alzheimer's at first but at some point you wake up and find all your faculties have failed or are failing. We are suffering a slow erosion of our way of life, I am amazed you cannot see it.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM you only seem to comprehend the traditional meanings of words like despotism, tyranny etc but there are many ways they can be imposed that are more subtle.

[Zacs-Master]

Togo, Were not part of the Schengen Agreement. The EUs normal immigration policies don’t apply to us.

[Zacs-Master]

‘comprehend the traditional meanings of words like despotism, tyranny’

Erm.....the way 99% of people who understand English, you mean. there is no subtlety is a tyrannical or despotic system. By using the word tyranny, when there clearly isn’t one, you’ve painted yourself into a corner.

[Zacs-Master]

‘which has been answered many times‘

No it hasn’t. That’s why I keep banging on for someone to actually provide some evidence of the EUs (tyrannical) ruling over us.

[Peter Pedant]

are there some AB posters whp are so out of it as to qualify as doolally-tap ?

yup deffo.

I admire ZMz willingness to take on a 'EUSSR foo dat!"thread at erm face value. - day after day....

hello ! we voted to Brexit you know !

[Old_Geezer]

One could argue that anything that comes out of the Commision is despotic as dictating to sovereign nations is, by nature, unreasonable. The rubber stamping of policy in the Parliament, the members of which are voted for, in a fashion, is merely a veneer, a facade of token democracy, so doesn't count for much.

[youngmafbog]

Totally tyrannical IMHO.

[Zacs-Master]

By the way (and just to indulge your fascile analogy to Alzheimer’s) you can’t wake up and suddenly realise you’ve lost all your faculties. Such basic misunderstanding only serves to illustrate your lack of comprehension of any given situation.

[ToraToraTora]

well ZM we've been waiting for someone to tell us something good about the EU instead of banging on about project fear.

[Zacs-Master]

Did we PP? must have missed that. I think you mean a small majority voted to Brexit. Please don’t include me in your ‘we’. I don’t really want to be associated with the general level of ignorance displayed by the majority, on here, ta.

[Togo]

// The EUs normal immigration policies don’t apply to us//

I know. But the EU tyranny is not just confined to "us" is it. Although we were the first to realise it we will not be the last.

[Zacs-Master]

Tora, why don’t you start your own thread and ask a question about that instead of derailing your own debate?

Funny how you don’t stick to your own rules, eh?

[youngmafbog]

//I think you mean a small majority voted to Brexit//

Yup, and it it had been the other way round you would have been more than happy - yes?

You lost ZM, suck it up.