Everyday Racism Or Sensible Business Practices?

[sp1814]

I’m going for the former.

This is clearly prejudiced behaviour (in that the waiter was prejudging the customers based on their race alone).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43954750

[New Judge]

"that would never happen because the colour of someones skin doesn't determine their ability to drive"

I'll take that as a "No" then.

I was asking you to imagine if it could and did happen to establish the principle of assessing risk based on experience (which, it seems probable, the restauranteur was doing). You seem to accept that such practice is acceptable where young people are the targets of such discrimination (because they will grow out of it) but not where black people are (because they won't).

[Baldric]

@16:37

Not in the Link/Video I've got they didn't.

[sp1814]

TTT

This is the problem.

There is no such thing as ‘group’ in this context.

It doesn’t exist.

If I walk into a shop and am looking at an iPad to buy, I have nothing to do with the 18 year old who tried to steal one two weeks ago.

It’s the same as you walking into a shop to buy a something...you shouldn’t be lumped into a group of people who have nothing to do with you.

The argument you’re putting forward is astonishing if you think about it.

You’re basically saying - racism is understandable and defensible.

[anotheoldgit]

Jackdaw33
/// ...and if you dare to close the door on a JW and tell him where to shove his Watchtower you are clearly a religious bigot. ///

Or certain clubs advertise half price drinks for females only, are they being blatantly sexist?

[sp1814]

TTT

They were not able to provide anything to the court. That’s how I know.

[sp1814]

Can I just get something clarified...

Are we saying here that it’s okay to be racist if we have experienced stuff in the past that justifies it?

I really want to know whether this is what people believe, or whether this is just a devil’s advocate situation.

[Jackdaw33]

Pongos! Haven't heard that word since I left the RAF. We Brylcreem Boys were welcomed anywhere.

[Baldric]

And, what does that ^^ prove?

[ToraToraTora]

SP: "Are we saying here that it’s okay to be racist if we have experienced stuff in the past that justifies it? " - no this is nothing to do with racism, that's why you are confused. This is about reacting to the likely behaviour of people based on previous statistical records. Very much like car insurance.

[Baldric]

Aimed @ ^^ 16:50

[sp1814]

TTT

Your insurance analogy doesn’t quite work, because no insurance company has such a broad context for premiums.

It won’t be “This driver is young, therefore we will charge him/her more”.

It will be:

How old is this driver?
Is the driver male or female?
What part of the country does he/she live?
How long have they been driving?
What is their NCB?
How much is the car they’re insuring worth?
Has the car had any modifications?
What is the engine size of the car?

Now, what the restaurant did was this...”Are they black?”

That’s massively different from the nuance approach that an insurance company would take.

[Jackdaw33]

I should have added except for the Rock Apes.

[sp1814]

TTT

If we are to believe that this isn’t racism, could you please tell us...what is?

[ToraToraTora]

well it's the judges to be fair but the two biggest things that effect car insurance are, age and post code, Do we accuse them of agism or locationism? no we accept their actuarial research.

[ToraToraTora]

having a sign that says "no blacks" would be racist.