Davis Has Set The Cat Among The Pigeons..

[Jackdaw33]

...what now?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44761056

[-Talbot-]

General election - gives someone the chance for a proper mandate.



There is a proper mandate.
It wouldn't matter who won an election, both parties are at each others throat over Brexit.

[naomi24]

Talbot, that's exactly what I said earlier. Why anyone thinks that's the solution is anyone's guess. It isn't.

[Old_Geezer]

That's the argument always made Jackdaw, and it's invalid. As I've answered before, log files should note it anyway, and if the insult was there deliberately either another will have seen it, been insulted by it, and report it; or it wasn't there long enough to be seen and thus no issue. As it's not an issue on many other sites. It's just an excuse not to provide the functionality.

[Old_Geezer]

Folk may be hoping a GE would at least give a clear majority of party members who can be whipped in.

[naomi24]

OG, I disagree. As for reporting a vanished misdemeanour and getting something done about it ..... where's my whistle? Such a function would create chaos here.

[Jackdaw33]

I agree, Naomi. The Brexit issue crosses party boundaries (apart from the LDs who would happily roll over and have their tummies tickled by Brussels, and who don't figure largely anyway). A GE would solve nothing. May might go but her successor will dig his heels in. There will be no GE until the ref blows the final whistle.

[Old_Geezer]

I have no idea how many hours David Davis spent on negotiations, but it occurs to me that quality is more important than quantity. How is it better to be there 2,000,000 hours hearing the same, "No, no, no" one heard throughout the first 4 hours ?

Remember that the EU wasted half the time dissussing not the trade stuff, but how much they could mug us for before we started talks 'proper'. They then spent a lot of time asking us for solutions on how to get over their delaying tactic of saying they wanted an open border in Ireland but ensuring reasonable proposals were rejected and making ridiculous, ones such as a border betwenn NI and the rest of the UK knowing it'd be unacceptable (any EU country happy to be split up, is there ?).

From what we here the EU has never had any intent of making progress, merely informing us (and blaming us !) that they are wasting our time before the deadline.

[Zacs-Master]

I don't know how anyone (especially a Conservative voter) can be happy with the party choosing another leader. We'll simply get another 'fall-guy' like we have with May who will fudge the deal. I'm sorry, but we need a leader who has the balls to see things through.

[Old_Geezer]

Hardly. Moderation can be achieved without chaos. How would it change ?
(Maybe it would improve things if personal communication with a standard reason was sent to any barred or sin-binned miscreants.)

[Old_Geezer]

...between
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[jno]

It wouldn't matter who won an election, both parties are at each others throat over Brexit.

I don't know if it's what you meant, but both parties are torn internally over it; there's comparatively little Labour v Tory argument on the subject

[Old_Geezer]

... discussing

[jno]

OG, are you suggesting AB moderators sort out Brexit?

I like your thinking

[Old_Geezer]

They can't even sort out an edit facility :-(

[Gromit]

We have a weak Prime Minister, a weak Government, and a weak Opposition.

And a gaggle on all sides of really useless individuals who should never have been elected.

We really are in a very sorry state.

[sp1814]

Isn’t the real problem that no-one knew during the Referedum that there would be more than one version of leave?

An analogy Britain is a person at dinner with 27 other diners. Rather than staying for pudding and the cheese course, Britain decides to leave...

...however what we are deciding now, is whether Britain should pay an equal share of the current bill, or just for what we’ve eaten or whether we are due to pay for part of dessert (as we’d promised to do earlier).

What the ‘hard Brexiters’ want, is for us to flounce out of the restaurant, grabbing our coat and jumping into an Uber without a backwards glance.

[-Talbot-]

And the EU is ticking over like a finely tune Rolls Royce.

[-Talbot-]

I don't know how many stars this word will get, sp.. But that's ***.

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, //When we wake up will the madness be over??!!//

When the people who are ‘negotiating’ Brexit wake up we might be in with a chance.

SP, //Isn’t the real problem that no-one knew during the Referedum that there would be more than one version of leave?//

As far as I’m aware the definition of ‘leave’ is leave. Anyone who still has one foot in the door hasn’t left.

//What the ‘hard Brexiters’ want, is for us to flounce out of the restaurant, grabbing our coat and jumping into an Uber without a backwards glance.//

Not so. They’re willing to fulfil their obligations – and then grab their coats.

[naomi24]

Sorry, that to Ichkeria was posted on the wrong thread.