David Lammy On Democracy "we Shouldn't Pander To The Will Of The People."

[webbo3]

"we shouldn't pander to the will of the people.", not very professional coming an MP expecially to the 17.4M people and considering Lineker is a tax avoiding football pundit and not an expert on politics.

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1022243897253289986

[Zacs-Master]

Are we sure this is the real D Lammy twitter account.

[douglas9401]

Please, stop this 'Twitface' stuff. It's not big and it's not clever.

[Old_Geezer]

The quote is, "... thank god some people are prepared to stick their neck out and not pander to the “will of the people” ***"

No doubt about the meaning. He thinks the democratically arrived at will of the people is worth so little that trying to ensure it comes to fruition is just pandering, and is "***".

Not even sure that'll get through the censor.

[webbo3]

Zacs
\\Are we sure this is the real D Lammy twitter account.//

Yes it is, I double checked before posting.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//If "The will of the people" is to be respected, what should happen when a party wins a majority of seats in the House of Commons but not a majority of the popular vote? Whose will should be respected, the minority of those who voted for the winning party or the majority that voted against them?//

The "will of the people" in an election is determined by seats won, and that is the "will nof the people" which is respected by democrats like me, however wrong we think the winners are, or however unfair we may think the rules are.

The "will of the people" in a referendum or plebiscite is determined by a show of hands, and that is the "will of the people" which should be respected by democrats like you.

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[Gromit]

I see, the will of the people is paramount, but we dare not ask the people again incase they give a different answer next time.
So the will of the people should not be consulted on the final brexit deal, incase they decide they don’t like what the politicians have bodged together in the last couple of years.

[Theland]

Gromit, if we remained, what would stop the undemocratic EU from continuing to chip away at our sovereignty and render us completely powerless to resist whatever new laws the EU mafia decided to impose on us? Like join the Euro, take charge of our tax policies, and economic policies?
We couldn't stop it could we? Yet you appear to continue to be a Europhil.
I just don't get it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

He's not concerned by such issues. Like Zac's Master he thinks that the hand of EU tyranny rests fairly lightly on his shoulder, assumes it will always be so "benign", and, in any case, better be a pampered slave than face the risks of living as a free man.

[Jackdaw33]

Is Lammy Abbott in drag, or is it the other way round?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Just warching Sky News.

Barnier's response to the Chequers Agreement.

All those concessions met with a Gallic shrug an a "non, non, non".

Do you think there's any chance that the Gromits and the ZMs will regain their self-respect? Or was it always missing?

[vetuste_ennemi]

This Brexit thing, a bit like Henry II doing the "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?", getting the result and doing an immediate recantation.

Hair shirt, bare-footed, crawling up the steps of St Peters being whipped by monks. Mr Juncker, Mr Juncker, I have sinned. Any chance of..?
U.

[Jackdaw33]

If Barnier says, "Non", then that's a result for us. Hard Brexit, No Deal, here we come.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Has self-respect become another discarded virtue?

Or been re-classified as a vice?

[Old_Geezer]

One may ask the people again once what has been opted for has been implemented and allowed to bed in. It isn't sensible to run a system without hysteresis where minor changes could result in flip-flops time after time. No one should want unstable governance. One asks, then one does. One doesn't partly do whilst trying to cheer up those who lost the vote and royally screwing up everything in the process.

[naomi24]

//Has self-respect become another discarded virtue?//

With the entirely disingenuous complaints of ‘misquotes’ here and the plethora of devious Newspeak spin we’re witnessing lately, self-respect clearly perished with the demise of principle.

[New Judge]

"I see, the will of the people is paramount, but we dare not ask the people again incase they give a different answer next time."

It's not that we dare not. It's that we should not - not before the decision taken at the first time of asking has been properly implemented as pledged when the question was asked.

[mushroom25]

this is the same David Lammy who accused the BBC of crass racism when one of their reporters speculated (during the choosing of the new pope) on the colour of smoke emitted by the Vatican chimney... :-)

[webbo3]

Mushroom, yes it is.
the same David Lammy that thinks he has never been approached for PM because he is black

The same David Lammy that thought the Grenfell judge was too white and old.

[andy-hughes]

douglas - // Please, stop this 'Twitface' stuff. It's not big and it's not clever. //

Neither is Twitface!!!

[andy-hughes]

As I read it, Mr Lammy has put the phrase will of the people' in inverted commas, because he does not believe it to be the will of the people, in actual terms.

That is a view, to which he is entitled, but he should have expressed himself far more clearly.

If you are an MP using social media, then you need to make sure that nothing you say can be misinterpreted, because there are lots of people put there ready to misinterpret, and hang you out to dry for your careless expression of your position