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Brexit, Am I Missing Something
When the referendum took place I didn’t believe what either side were saying and looked at what I thought would be best both for me, my family and the country and voted remain.
Now that we are leaving I’m trying to see the positive and see how it’s going to improve things for me and my family in particular and I’m struggling to see any benefit.
I’ve noticed that lots of people on here seem very keen Brexiters so can you tell me how you see the benefits of leaving to you and your family. Do you see yourselves being better off etc?
Now that we are leaving I’m trying to see the positive and see how it’s going to improve things for me and my family in particular and I’m struggling to see any benefit.
I’ve noticed that lots of people on here seem very keen Brexiters so can you tell me how you see the benefits of leaving to you and your family. Do you see yourselves being better off etc?
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I think from the answers you’ve got from so many leave supporters the answer is quite clear: if you are looking for material gain from Brexit, forget it. It’s not what it was about and never was. The mythical taking back of control trumps all: the tragedy is, no one will be a whit freer and working class people will suffer the most. While the likes of Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg continue to lord it from their posh houses.
Arguably Mrs May has saved Brexit: it’s hard to see, had the likes of Davis or Rees Mogg been in charge, how the whole thing would have blown up in everyone’s faces by now. I know there are ground criticisms of her approach, but I don’t see how the current Tory turmoil could have been avoided. Once the negotiations started there was always going to be blood on the blue carpet.
But material gain, to get back to the point: no. That was never on offer as honest supporters of leave will admit. If you wanted to be better off you had to vote Remain: however as we know that argument was trumped so to speak by other concerns.
But material gain, to get back to the point: no. That was never on offer as honest supporters of leave will admit. If you wanted to be better off you had to vote Remain: however as we know that argument was trumped so to speak by other concerns.
“New Judge, I thought our MEP’s had a say in matters…”
MEPs can only agree to or reject proposals put forward by the commission. They cannot initiate them and they cannot revise them. The UK’s MEPs have been consistently outvoted on virtually every matter they have opposed in recent years.
“…and don’t we have a veto? “
No. For most matters the power of veto was abolished with the Lisbon Treaty.
“but what would we change that would make a difference to where we are today.”
The list is extensive and includes freedom of movement, the Common Agricultural Policy (which we were told would be revised) and the Common Fisheries Policy. But it isn’t what we would or would not change that matters. It’s the fact that we cannot do so if we wanted to.
MEPs can only agree to or reject proposals put forward by the commission. They cannot initiate them and they cannot revise them. The UK’s MEPs have been consistently outvoted on virtually every matter they have opposed in recent years.
“…and don’t we have a veto? “
No. For most matters the power of veto was abolished with the Lisbon Treaty.
“but what would we change that would make a difference to where we are today.”
The list is extensive and includes freedom of movement, the Common Agricultural Policy (which we were told would be revised) and the Common Fisheries Policy. But it isn’t what we would or would not change that matters. It’s the fact that we cannot do so if we wanted to.
I find most Remainers are not as thoughtful as I would like.
That is why the whole issue of democracy just seems to pass them by.
Ask them why they prefer to live in a state where the leaders are appointed by the cliques at the top, and not elected by the many great unwashed, and no sensible answer is forthcoming.
Imagine the furore if the EUSSR once it had total control, decided to tax us massively without a mandate?
That is why the whole issue of democracy just seems to pass them by.
Ask them why they prefer to live in a state where the leaders are appointed by the cliques at the top, and not elected by the many great unwashed, and no sensible answer is forthcoming.
Imagine the furore if the EUSSR once it had total control, decided to tax us massively without a mandate?
You disappoint me Theland ;-)
I was about to say that it’s simply different points of view : there’s nothing wrong with leavers wanting to ‘take back control’ - other than in my opinion it’s not really going to make anyone’s lives any better. But the op asked about material benefit and I don’t think from the comments of most here that anyone is making a case for that.
I was about to say that it’s simply different points of view : there’s nothing wrong with leavers wanting to ‘take back control’ - other than in my opinion it’s not really going to make anyone’s lives any better. But the op asked about material benefit and I don’t think from the comments of most here that anyone is making a case for that.
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