Parliament Would Never Say Yes, But With The Increase In Savage Murders, If They Were To Hold A Referendum For The Return Of Capital Punishment Would The British Public Vote Overwhelmingly 'yes'?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6349455/Ex-Tory-minister-John-Hayes-calls-return-capital-punishment-amid-bloody-crime-wave.html

[cassa333]

I doubt it.

The only way the result might be swayed yes is if it followed closely on the heels of an atrocity that sickens and appalled people.

[david small]

While the hand wringers dither, the neck wringers ply their trade.

[THECORBYLOON]

Birmingham Six, ANOTHEOLDGIT?

[SparklyKid]

Were the Birmingham 6 busy committing other atrocities elsewhere thereby were almost innocent , just wondering.

[BANANASPLITS]

A simple yes for me

[Pete65]

No, I do not think they would.

[waterboatman]

I've always been against the death penalty on he grounds that too many were later found to be innocent. I do strongly believe that a life sentence should be just that. a whole life sentence.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // You admit that he was murdered and by whom, so that is a step in the right direction at least. //

Please don't patronise me - I have never suggested anything other than that Solider Rigby was murdered.

Keeping the notion that I am an Islamist apologist inside your own febrile imagination where it belongs, and not out here where it clutters up debate, would be far better for everyone concerned.

// But seeking any other evidence is futile, therefore the death penalty would be appropriate, with no further excuses, they did it they are put down, just like one would put down a mad dog or any other animal, but to class those two as animals is an insult to animals. //

Fortunately, our legal system is more inclined towards investigation into situations before simply deciding that an individual is a 'mad dog' to be 'put down' as you so colourfully put it.

The law exists without such knee-jerk emotion, and we should all be very grateful for that.

[andy-hughes]

SparklyKid - // Were the Birmingham 6 busy committing other atrocities elsewhere thereby were almost innocent , just wondering. //

The law does not prosecute people on the basis of what some people think others might or might not have done - and that has to be a good thing.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// Keeping the notion that I am an Islamist apologist inside your own febrile imagination where it belongs, and not out here where it clutters up debate, would be far better for everyone concerned. ///

It is no notion of mine, neither have I accused you of being a Islamic apologist, but I must admit on every Islamic/Muslim post you take defensive action on behalf of them, but if I am wrong please provide proof that you are not.

And please don't speak for "everyone concerned" because there are many fellow ABers who know of your pro Islamic/Muslim approach.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // … because there are many fellow ABers who know of your pro Islamic/Muslim approach. //

The they - and you, are incorrect.

I do not have a 'pro Islamic/ Muslim approach' to anything.

What I do have is the willingness to challenge the casual racial and religious media-fed stereotyping and prejudice that goes on here on a daily basis.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that target is almost always tiresomely Islam - I would challenge in exactly the same way against any social or ethnic group who are pilloried by lazy stereotyping bigots.

[Khandro]

Every time there has been a poll on the return of capital punishment, the public has voted substantially for yes, and I'm sure Sky would give a lot for the sole right to televise it.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, why will you not say what would have happened to the Birmingham Six had hanging been available?

[EDDIE51]

I hope not. I know that MANY innocent people have been convicted of murder , often on supposedly strong evidence. Then the 'strong evidence' gets overturned sometimes many years later. The notorious Hanratty case comes to mind. The Death Sentence DOES NOT deter murder. Very many murderers have said as much.

[ichkeria]

I think the USA for one is proof that the death penalty is no deterrent to murder. The other argument for it is that it is a “just” punishment.
Having a referendum on the matter is a daft idea and it will never happen. Quite apart from anything else can you imagine someone instigating a mass killing or killings to try to sway the debate mid-campaign? I certainly can.

[naomi24]

I don't consider it a deterrent. Rather a solution.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I would challenge in exactly the same way against any social or ethnic group who are pilloried by lazy stereotyping bigots. ///

Since most of those threads or posts refer to the Pakistani child grooming gangs and the black on black killings, I and I am sure others take very much offence at you labelling those who show concern over their actions, "lazy stereotyping bigots".

But then name calling is the usual weapon used by liberal lefties in their efforts to try and cover up uncomfortable truths.

[naomi24]

Andy-hughes, //But that has nothing to do with the fact that target is almost always tiresomely Islam - I would challenge in exactly the same way against any social or ethnic group who are pilloried by lazy stereotyping bigots.//

By far more often than not Muslims are criticised for having done something utterly objectionable. Therefore those who criticise them are not lazy stereotyping bigots. Their criticism is absolutely justified. It’s just a pity there isn’t more of it about. Anything less could be considered ‘enabling.

[Peter Pedant]

// I know that MANY innocent people have been convicted of murder , often on supposedly strong evidence.//

um yes unfortunately
The Balcombe st gang did do terrorism - but ALL the remainder were let out. M5, Guildford, B'ham,

The police - well they did it really - and the judges - the longer than this appeal has gone on the more convinced....were unrepentant

Judge Taylor excusing himself with - if the police choose to lie to me there is nothing I can do about it ....

[Peter Pedant]

//and I'm sure Sky would give a lot for the sole right to televise it. //
capital pun ishment

last ones hanged in public - Fenians in 1867
photogs exist