May Looks To The Public For Support For Deal

[naomi24]

In an attempt to go over the heads of MPs, a majority of whom have threatened to reject the agreement when it is voted on next month, Mrs May will take questions on BBC Radio 5 live and the BBC News Channel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46312909

Firstly, I’d be interested to know how the questions will be filtered and chosen, and secondly, if she gets the response she wants, what then? Will she go back to parliament and say, “There you are. A dozen or so selected members of the public say they agree with me”?

So what? What difference does she think that will make?

[youngmafbog]

//Brexit has been exposed as a horrible mess, as most of us predicted//

Yes, alot of it down to the remain camp undermining 'negotiations'.

Couple that with the most useless and spineless PM we have ever had and this is where we are.

What will she gain. Not a lot. The vast majority of people know what QT is like, and if they have forgotten I'm sure publications, other than the guardian, will remind them.

[jim360]

One does not simply get a better deal if the other party to the deal isn't playing ball...

I suppose May's hope is to pressure MPs into back the deal for fear of, as she's been suggesting recently, getting "no Brexit at all". Whether or not this will work is anyone's guess, but so far -- and despite what Brexit supporters on AB seem to think -- Parliament's bowed to the pressure to pass any and all Brexit-related legislation essentially untouched. So maybe May's deal will ultimately get through similarly unaffected.

[youngmafbog]

"She probably feels buoyed by the fact that her personal rating has actually risen this week: "

These will be from the same polls that predicted Hilary would win and there would be no Brexit eh?

I have not found anyone yet, Leave or remain, that likes her or her plan.

She has done one thing and that is unite the country - against her and the Tories.

[youngmafbog]

"One does not simply get a better deal if the other party to the deal isn't playing ball... "

Neither does one get a better deal if one is forced to show their hand....

[jim360]

//
Yes, alot of it down to the remain camp undermining 'negotiations'. //

Even if this were true, it's only because the Brexit camp couldn't even be bothered to turn up to the negotiations.

[youngmafbog]

"it's only because the Brexit camp couldn't even be bothered to turn up to the negotiations"

Eh?

You are aware the Brexit minister are just stooges. The whole thing was cooked up by Oily and the Civil service in conjunction with Merkle.

[ichkeria]

The broadcast was a bit of a waste of time tbh: virtually nothing of substance was discussed tho it’s nice to know about the Christmas cake and the cup cake :-)
The most important but was at the start, where she seemed to rule out “no deal” while still saying we would definitely Leave - if up to her

[dannyk13]

Jim // So maybe May's deal will ultimately get through similarly unaffected.//
Dream on Jim, with the DUP , Labour, and some Tories stating their intention of voting against it, the deal is as good as dead in the water.

[emmie]

Danny, somehow for no reason i can explain i think this terrible deal will get through, no one has stood up yet and said No Deal in Parliament.

[jim360]

// These will be from the same polls that predicted Hilary would win and there would be no Brexit eh? //

Oh, for goodness' sake...

Polls come with an uncertainty attached, because that's the nature of random sampling. In both of the examples you cite, there was never a clear and convincing lead that could not be overturned. I think the most sophisticated analysis of the 2016 Presidential election suggested that Clinton had about a 3 in 4 chance of winning, to Trump's 1 in 4, but that's hardly overwhelming odds.

On the other hand, and admittedly quite surprisingly, Theresa May's personal popularity is currently somewhere in the 60% range, at least when compared to BoJo (31%, ie half as popular), or Moggy (25%); and she still enjoys a hefty lead over Corbyn. None of these leads is negligible, and it's safe to say -- no matter how shocking this may be -- that Theresa May is enjoying a post-deal bounce. Perhaps this is because a fair few people do indeed want, as Theresa May says, for Parliament to "get on with it" and deliver at least *some* form of Brexit, even if it's not the ideologically purest form of it.

[ichkeria]

I’d not rule out the chances of it getting through, unlikely as it may currently sound.

[jim360]

Danny -- just to clarify, it's not even remotely close to a "dream" of mine that the deal gets through (except maybe as a nightmare). Still, my suspicion is that after all MPs will bow to the pressure of delivering Brexit in some form, rather than allowing a "No deal", or returning the decision to the people.

[dannyk13]

Emmie, they cannot until the deal is put before parliament, which I believe will be sometime early in December.

[emmie]

i know, but something tells me that it will go through, warts and all.

[ichkeria]

It’s a myth that the polls discounted Brexit. Everyone remembers the very last poll, when even Farage conceded.
But it was too close to call all along. The idea that the U.K. might vote to leave was regarded by many as unthinkable, but that’s not the same thing.
As for Trump, that was almost certainly called wrongly due to polling being unable to account for the subtleties and local variations of voting patterns in specific states. Clinton outpolled Trump country-wide as we all know by a considerable margin.

[youngmafbog]

"// These will be from the same polls that predicted Hilary would win and there would be no Brexit eh? //

Oh, for goodness' sake... "

Why for goodnes sake, or is this another of your condescending comments attempting to shut me up? As you then go on to say they are polls and as you well know can be manipulated to how they want them to be.

[youngmafbog]

"I’d not rule out the chances of it getting through, unlikely as it may currently sound. "

You could be right. However remember many MP's will be looking over their shoulder and thinking of the next election. Certinaly in leave constituencies the wrong vote in Parliament could mean career comes to a very sharp halt.

Of course, some will be like Treason and be totally oblivious.

[jim360]

I'm sorry ymb, but it is a little frustrating to have to continually quash the myth that polls did not predict Brexit. That was the media slant on them, to be sure, but the raw data simply didn't support such a conclusion. It was the same with Trump v. Clinton. She was always favourite in, and indeed won, the popular vote, but that was all -- and rather too many papers gave the false impression that this was enough to declare her victory a near certainty.

There is a difference, then, between what the polls said, and between what the media said the polls said. I get frustrated when people confuse the two.

[youngmafbog]

So you believe the polls are correct this time or is it media slant?

Just to be clear.

[Jackdaw33]

This humble member of the public is firmly of the opinion that the deal is a load of crap and that May has not the wit or talent to be PM and should go forthwith.