May Looks To The Public For Support For Deal

[naomi24]

In an attempt to go over the heads of MPs, a majority of whom have threatened to reject the agreement when it is voted on next month, Mrs May will take questions on BBC Radio 5 live and the BBC News Channel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46312909

Firstly, I’d be interested to know how the questions will be filtered and chosen, and secondly, if she gets the response she wants, what then? Will she go back to parliament and say, “There you are. A dozen or so selected members of the public say they agree with me”?

So what? What difference does she think that will make?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Ichkeria: //“Is this a massive simplification of a complicated issue?
Yes.” You should have quit at that point while you were ahead lol//

And you should have persevered with the next sentence in which I was trying to argue a moral point.

LOL? (Is that right?)

[spathiphyllum]

asking the public anything now is apparently undemocratic.

[Old_Geezer]

One doesn't hold referenda every five minutes for every decision. One gets the public's opinion on a major issue, then the government is there to deliver it. This one seems reluctant, however.

Surely May knows the public opinion already ? Remainers are agin because it's not the status quo, leavers are agin because it's a binding not an exit. The only one's in favour are May herself and her sycophants.

It's utterly pointless appealing.

[Old_Geezer]

It was always undemocratic to keep asking until one gets a desired result, then stopping. We all know that. It's what the EU does.

[spathiphyllum]

When the three options came out, the deal at hand, no deal or no brexit we should have had a say then. That isn't "undemocratic". Anyone who says it is, in my opinion is wrong.

There is nothing undemocratic about seeing peoples opinions after they have more information. It's the opposite in fact..

To lie, make us vote for lies, then to prove actually, the lies were covering even worse lies is undemocratic.

[dannyk13]

Spath //When the three options came out//
When did that happen?

[cassa333]

Spate is talking about the remains lies.

As far as I can tell that’s what is on offer. Remain lies dressed up with more lies and Santa wish lists to try and fool people.

There should be no stay option in any referendum should it happen because that vote has been cast already. But again the screamers don’t like the result so will try every trick in the book to change it to what they want.

But the screamers will get their way and it will be on the ballot paper. Remain are sort of gaining by lies and deceit. But hay that’s what the screamers have been doing since we had the cheek to vote the other way. Well even before that but let’s move on...

[Old_Geezer]

No one needed more information that they had to know whether they'd had a gutful of bring under the EU or not. By more information you presumably mean more exposure to fear stories in the hope that some will lose bottle and not stick to the thing they knew was right at the time.

Democracy isn't flip flopping any time the losing side can't accept the verdict, if you want a rethink you need to give the first decision a chance beforehand. Call for a further vote in about 4 decades time, which is less than we've put up with membership of the EU.

[spathiphyllum]

cassa, there were no lies. It was either, stay how things are currently (can't lie about reality) OR leave the EU. (a whole world of possibilities, none of which were known about)

[spathiphyllum]

Danny, the.. "Deal, No deal, No brexit".

[Old_Geezer]

Abandoning Brexit is off the table, as that decision is already made. Deal is a loser anyway, no one much likes it. So this referendum you propose has a single option ?

[jim360]

ymb -- I think the trendline that suggests Theresa May has probably gained more support is pretty clear. And it's certainly unlikely to be a media slant, since most newspapers lately aren't very keen on her; why, then, would they be keen to push polls that undermine their position?

[cashier]

At least she didn't rule out no deal, early on she did say there was no possibility of 'no brexit'. I think the deal will be passed, this Parliament is one of the most duplicitous in history.

Spath the deal, no deal or no brexit, was for the cabinet at Chequers just Treacherous Teresa trying to get her own way as usual. Everybody was lied to by both remain and leave campaigners. Please stop saying only the leave voters were lied to.

[cassa333]

Brexit is a horrible mess because the EU and remain screamers have been in charge.

It’s only a mess because May appears to be a puppet to the EU and asked them to write the withdrawal deal.

It is only a mess because the screamers couldn’t and apparently can’t cope with autonomy.

It’s only a mess because a large part of the establishment is screamer remainers.

It’s only a mess because a large part of the establishment is screamer remainers.

I think that needs saying again.

It’s only a mess because a large part of the establishment is screamer remainers

Ordinary people are fed up with Brexit that’s true. Fed up that the establishment is totally inept and incompetent and refuses to implement the result of the referendum.

[hereIam]

Absolutely well said cassa ...

[jim360]

Not at all well said in any way, cassa :/

[naomi24]

Spot on, Cassa. An uncomfortable truth.

[jim360]

Brexit is a mess because the people who campaigned for it never really spelled out precisely what they wanted afterwards.

Brexit is a mess because those people either could not, or did not, take any responsibility for its delivery.

Brexit is a mess because we jumped off the cliff before we bothered to check for a parachute -- because there never was a plan for the aftermath of the vote.

Brexit is a mess because it was really about a Tory party struggling to keep itself together.

Brexit is a mess because, even now, people don't seem to understand just how important being in the EU was to how the UK operates.

Brexit is a mess because it's been too rushed-through, with politicians determined to implement the decision of 2016 as soon as possible rather than as well as possible.