Higher, Lower Or Status Quo?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46737013
I think Higher.

[SparklyKid]

They would be better off listening to the news.

[ToraToraTora]

mush, classic dystopian sc fi that, good film. Yes no doubt some of those above would welcome killing us all off at a certain age.

[kvalidir]

Oh come on Sparkly, and even if that's true, it's your generation that has set up the education system ( which I didn't inhabit as a matter of interest), so if they are thick ( which I've not observed)- again it falls to your generation.

[spathiphyllum]

Maybe they are on a news app / googling the worlds current affairs or debating people online about them

[dannyk13]

Kval, can you answer post at 12.47?

[youngmafbog]

I would be happy to see it lower, BUT, only if connected to only those paying tax are able to vote.

Paying tax sharpens many a mind and would soon over ride the left ideals that many want the age lowered to get support for.

[kvalidir]

Danny I'm looking for meaningful mental health stats but the problem is that you can be depressed, suffer from anxiety disorders etc and be perfectly able to rationalise and vote, and those seem to be the majority of stats I'm finding for young people, where as dementia really does take away your reasoning ability, so I'm not sure how useful stats on that will be anyway. x

[dannyk13]

Kval, it would give some balance to your post about the elderly.

[SparklyKid]

If one suffers from dementia, can they opt out of paying tax ?

[youngmafbog]

No they cannot and neither would it be practical to stop anyone of any age with dementure/mental illness (unless sectioned under the mental health act) from voting.

[kvalidir]

I agree it would, but then it's not me that has a problem with older people voting anyway, I was just mentioning it to balance someone ( sorry can't remember who) assertion that people under 21 have no life experience and therefore shouldn't be able to vote. I simply pointing out that there is more to it than that and just being older is not necessarily the golden ticket to wisdom in the voting stakes.

[dannyk13]

Kval
https://www.dementiastatistics.org/statistics/prevalence-by-age-in-the-uk/
Your figures would appear to be somewhat awry.

[kvalidir]

No Danny that agrees with my assertion that 1 in 14 people over 60 and 1 in 6 over 80 suffers from Alzhemiers alone, which is what I said. ( See the blue pie chart on your own link).

I imagine if you included all types of dementia it would be a great deal higher actually. x

[dannyk13]

Kval, from the first paragraph of the article:-
//About two in 100 people aged between 65 to 69 have dementia, and this figure rises to one in five for those aged between 85 to 89.
Two in 100 does not equate to 1 in 14.

[kvalidir]

Then the very website you quoted appears to be contradicting itself. Have a look the blue pie chart clearly gives the statistics I have stated- you've linked to it yourself.

[youngmafbog]

Having experienced first hand the devastating effects of Alzheimer's I can categorically say that once it has advanced enough that you could not make a call on how to vote you would not even remember or think to vote. That's even if you could get the right day to go and do it.

So it is rather a mute point IMHO.

[Prudie]

The pie-chart says the risk of developing over 60 yrs is 1 in 14, not that they have it - major difference.

It's a shame that this can't be discussed without the old having a go at the young, the young having a go at the old and ones in the middle just picking a side.

[dannyk13]

Kval. that bar chart gives figures in 1000.s not i in 14 for example.

[youngmafbog]

"and ones in the middle just picking a side."

Well I have not picked sides (he says smugly :-) )

[kvalidir]

I would like to point out that I am not 'having a go at the old', I have no issue with older people voting whatsoever as I have repeatedly said on this thread. I think they have a huge amount of experience and opinion to offer ( even if it's not the same as mine). What I do object to is some older people resolutely slagging off people under 21 who pay taxes, work, are employers in my case, as some sort of overgrown babies who don't know their arris from their elbow and therefore society should be protected from their opinions by denying them voting rights. x