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Corbyn is leader of the opposition. He, along with leaders of the other parties and other parliamentarians, has been invited to talk. If he had this country’s best interests at heart, he would and should accept that invitation – but he doesn’t have this country’s best interests at heart. He’s a puppet whose strings are pulled by others who, like him, are intent only on bringing the government down and they will attempt to achieve that at any cost. Labourites are good at pulling strings – as is evidenced by the posts here supporting his puerile pig-headedness and playing ‘Follow the Leader’.
OG,
The EU have already agreed to deal worked out by MAY. It is the UK who have rejected it, not the EU.
So it is up to the UK to propose a different deal.
Unfortunately the process is broken.
We should now get an a deal agreed by Parliament BEFORE submitting it to the EU, otherwise the same mistake just keeps getting repeated for ever.
The EU have already agreed to deal worked out by MAY. It is the UK who have rejected it, not the EU.
So it is up to the UK to propose a different deal.
Unfortunately the process is broken.
We should now get an a deal agreed by Parliament BEFORE submitting it to the EU, otherwise the same mistake just keeps getting repeated for ever.
No. The EU and Mr's May *together* agreed to something, at a point where they were clearly running out of time and would start to accept any old carp in order to have something/anything to put to the government. The result was clearly unacceptable so the government rejecting it does not put any responsibility on them alone to propose a different deal. The responsibility lies on both sides at the negotiating table, but as we all know, in two years the EU hasn't agreed anything that would be an acceptable deal, and the EU as a whole is the one saying that there is no chance of renegotiation. (But apparently the MEPs are happy to waste everyone's time listening.)
danny, I've had a quick look and all I can find is something from Mrs Merkel saying // there’s still time for negotiations between the European Union and Britain over its departure from the bloc.
Merkel says that she regretted the decision by British lawmakers to oppose the agreement negotiated by British Prime Minister Theresa May and the EU. Merkel told reporters in Berlin that "we will of course do everything to find an orderly solution, but we are also prepared if there is no orderly solution.”//
... so given that the EU have said there will be no further negotiation on the deal, I don't think we should read too much into "there's still time to negotiate".
Merkel says that she regretted the decision by British lawmakers to oppose the agreement negotiated by British Prime Minister Theresa May and the EU. Merkel told reporters in Berlin that "we will of course do everything to find an orderly solution, but we are also prepared if there is no orderly solution.”//
... so given that the EU have said there will be no further negotiation on the deal, I don't think we should read too much into "there's still time to negotiate".
take that with a pinch of salt naomi, the EU will budge but they'll say they wont until they have to. The whole Irish issue is not going to change, it's been well demonstrated that it won't pass the commons, the EU can see that, they will have to resolve it somehow. The onus is is on both sides to resolve the impasse.
Look back to December when May humiliated Britain by delaying the meaningful Brexit vote at the last moment because she knew she was going to lose it.
Remember the howls of anguish from the Right who criticised Corbyn for not calling a vote of no confidence in May. Not to mention the anti-Corbyn speeches and editorials, the furious Twitter tirades, the accusations of incompetence, the calls for him to resign, and the torrents of online abuse?
At the time the parliamentary arithmetic simply didn't add up because the self-serving Tories would never vote against their own government no matter how unprecedented the incompetence, and because the DUP would definitely not be voting to kill their golden goose.
Then, in the wake of this week’s unprecedented 230 vote defeat of May's Brexit proposals Corbyn finally calls the no confidence vote.
He was still never going to win it because nothing had changed and the parliamentary arithmetic still didn't add up. But even though he was never going to win, it was pretty clear why Corbyn couldn't really avoid putting forward a no confidence motion after the biggest government defeat in modern parliamentary history. Given the inevitability that the motion still wouldn't pass, the only aim was to prove that 300+ selfish Tories and cynical DUP bigots have prioritised their own narrow interests above the interests of the nation as a whole.
Look at the reaction of the Right now: Anti-Corbyn speeches and editorials, furious Twitter tirades, accusations of incompetence, calls for him to resign, and torrents of online abuse.
Their reaction to him doing what they wanted him to do is identical to their reaction to him not doing what they wanted him to!
These people are so consumed with ideological hatred for Corbyn and his democratic socialist agenda (end Tory austerity dogma, reverse Tory wage repression, investment instead of endless cuts, clamp down on tax-dodging, nationalise vital national infrastructure and services...) that they've rendered themselves incapable of intelligent analysis. So sad.
Remember the howls of anguish from the Right who criticised Corbyn for not calling a vote of no confidence in May. Not to mention the anti-Corbyn speeches and editorials, the furious Twitter tirades, the accusations of incompetence, the calls for him to resign, and the torrents of online abuse?
At the time the parliamentary arithmetic simply didn't add up because the self-serving Tories would never vote against their own government no matter how unprecedented the incompetence, and because the DUP would definitely not be voting to kill their golden goose.
Then, in the wake of this week’s unprecedented 230 vote defeat of May's Brexit proposals Corbyn finally calls the no confidence vote.
He was still never going to win it because nothing had changed and the parliamentary arithmetic still didn't add up. But even though he was never going to win, it was pretty clear why Corbyn couldn't really avoid putting forward a no confidence motion after the biggest government defeat in modern parliamentary history. Given the inevitability that the motion still wouldn't pass, the only aim was to prove that 300+ selfish Tories and cynical DUP bigots have prioritised their own narrow interests above the interests of the nation as a whole.
Look at the reaction of the Right now: Anti-Corbyn speeches and editorials, furious Twitter tirades, accusations of incompetence, calls for him to resign, and torrents of online abuse.
Their reaction to him doing what they wanted him to do is identical to their reaction to him not doing what they wanted him to!
These people are so consumed with ideological hatred for Corbyn and his democratic socialist agenda (end Tory austerity dogma, reverse Tory wage repression, investment instead of endless cuts, clamp down on tax-dodging, nationalise vital national infrastructure and services...) that they've rendered themselves incapable of intelligent analysis. So sad.
