Where's Jezza?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/may-says-her-door-remains-open-to-corbyn-for-brexit-talks-after-winning-no-confidence-vote-11609305
He's been wanting to get involved for years, now he gets the invite he's done a runner!

[steg]

Corbyn blamed on if’s .. cool

[naomi24]

steg, along with the rest of parliament he voted to trigger A50 and he now wishes to deny Leavers what they voted for. Squeaky clean he ain't.

[steg]

//Squeaky clean he ain't.//
Nobody is tho.... well apart fae cliff richard but I don’t think he had anything to do with the negotiations

[DTCwordfan]

Corbyn is thick as two short planks - 2Es at A level - he lacks ideas, initiative and leadership within his own party - wit Anti Semitism, not exactly the hardest problem to solve - why don't they replace him with somebody more worthwhile and up to it....such as Keir Starmer. Or come back, Ed Balls....or is making money off the Beeb like Monsieur Portillo more rewarding?

[naomi24]

Steg, No, they're not - but no one else has done what he’s done in demanding the abandonment of the one legitimate option left and the only one that would afford Leavers the opportunity to see the result of the referendum honoured. In his arrogance he seems to have forgotten that very many Labour voters are among those who voted Leave. Frankly I think he's done himself a great disservice – and one he can ill-afford.

[Canary42]

///but no one else has done what he’s done in demanding the abandonment of the one legitimate option left and the only one that would afford Leavers the opportunity to see the result of the referendum honoured. ///

But isn't that what Tezza's trying to do as well ?

[steg]

//Frankly I think he's done himself a great disservice – and one he can ill-afford.//
I think that’s one we will have to wait and see on.

[naomi24]

No, Canary, it isn't. 'No Deal' hasn't been taken off the table.

[Theland]

Maybe he is at prayer.
"Present but not involved."

[fiction-factory]

Spath-I don't think you understand why we are in this position and why we were always going to end in this position. There are really only 3 options-
A. remain.
B. leave with no deal,
C. leave with a deal that is acceptable to EU and MPs

Most MPs prefer A. Many hope we can get this through by having another referendum and fixing the question so it gives this result.

B is preferred by a large number of strong Brexiteers and/or those who want to honour the 2016 Leave result, but they are in a minority so a No Deal will never be agreed by MPs.

Option C will be a form of Brexit-lite but it is going to be very difficult to get anything approved by MPs given the number who prefer A (want to Remain) or B (want a strong clear Brexit with little EU interference).

A solution under option C is not easy to see as no-one has come up with any suggestions that will satisfy enough MPs who prefer A and B. Maybe there is nothing that would satisfy enough of them but we have to try.

Have you considered that having a precondition of ruling out No Deal is wrong. If we rule out No Deal now we will have absolutely no negotiating power with the EU. What leverage would we have?

[Theland]

FF - spot on

[jim360]

ymb: "Perhaps we should agree to disagree with each other on that particular topic."

I'm happy to agree to this if it leads to a more friendly atmosphere between us.

[DTCwordfan]

Tony Bliar of all people spoke with great lucidity and logic this morning on R4 - worth hearing it.....he would take your C, fiction, and split it in 2 - (i) are we going for a hard exit as in a Canada-style deal or (ii) a soft exit as in Norway, the former more disruptive to the economy in the short-mid term, the latter being more accommodating of some deal (not necessarily full on union) with the EU customs - and, if so, it would remove the Irish border issue or at least reduce it considerably. The trouble is May tried to get the best of both or didn't realise that it would split like this - and now she and Parliament have to make their minds up....and he argued that more time will be needed.

[Old_Geezer]

Norway type option is a non-starter as it's a form of BINO. Canada+ is too vague as it depends on the undefined +. Any decent version is highly unlikely to be agreed by the EU. So both are likely no-goers. I still think one can not write off no-deal as most MPs know betraying over half the population and disregarding democracy would have very long lasting consequences.