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Bethnal Green Girl
How many are screaming at the screen right now? She made her bed let her lie in it. Why should she be allowed back here?
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"Children at 15 are not allowed to make important decisions for a reason."
Normally true, but that isn't all that's to be considered here.
At 15 she was allowed to decide to turn her back on civilised society and fly out to actively support a viscious murdering torturing band intent on grabbing land and creating a nation in their image, to do what they say or be a victim. During which time no doubt she was further indoctrinated and now a threat to any individual or nation not supporting her extremism.
Furthermore she is no longer 15 and so is personally responsible for herself and future child, not the nation she turned her back on. It's sad for her future child, but they will be in no worse position than others in that part of the world born to Daesh parents; and we aren't taking them all in because of that.
Normally true, but that isn't all that's to be considered here.
At 15 she was allowed to decide to turn her back on civilised society and fly out to actively support a viscious murdering torturing band intent on grabbing land and creating a nation in their image, to do what they say or be a victim. During which time no doubt she was further indoctrinated and now a threat to any individual or nation not supporting her extremism.
Furthermore she is no longer 15 and so is personally responsible for herself and future child, not the nation she turned her back on. It's sad for her future child, but they will be in no worse position than others in that part of the world born to Daesh parents; and we aren't taking them all in because of that.
The key point is she's 19 now, so totally responsible.
Re what I said earlier, it's worse for her than I implied. We have no consular support so they'd have to make it all the way back to the UK, or maybe Turkey if she's lucky ...
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> But Mr Wallace said any Britons who had gone to Syria to engage or support terrorist activities should be prepared to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted if they came back to the UK.
> He said there was no consular assistance in Syria and insisted he would not be sending British officials there to rescue Ms Begum.
> "I'm not putting at risk British people's lives to go and look for terrorists or former terrorists in a failed state," he told the BBC.
Re what I said earlier, it's worse for her than I implied. We have no consular support so they'd have to make it all the way back to the UK, or maybe Turkey if she's lucky ...
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> But Mr Wallace said any Britons who had gone to Syria to engage or support terrorist activities should be prepared to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted if they came back to the UK.
> He said there was no consular assistance in Syria and insisted he would not be sending British officials there to rescue Ms Begum.
> "I'm not putting at risk British people's lives to go and look for terrorists or former terrorists in a failed state," he told the BBC.
children above the age of 15
are easily within the age of criminal responsibility
"they fort we were spies" - as if anyone would send three 15 y old non arabic speaking brits as hidden secret spies ....
oh and journalists were obviously spies so they cut off the heads of a selection until they stopped coming ...
as Shah-meem said - life went on as usual really
are easily within the age of criminal responsibility
"they fort we were spies" - as if anyone would send three 15 y old non arabic speaking brits as hidden secret spies ....
oh and journalists were obviously spies so they cut off the heads of a selection until they stopped coming ...
as Shah-meem said - life went on as usual really
just in case anyone doubts we have signed treaties saying we wouldnt make people stateless
Lord Wilson pointed out in the judgment that Britain is a signatory to the 1961 UN Convention on Statelessness, which prohibits countries from removing the citizenship of individuals if it will make them stateless. (supreme ct - al-jazza)
Lord Wilson pointed out in the judgment that Britain is a signatory to the 1961 UN Convention on Statelessness, which prohibits countries from removing the citizenship of individuals if it will make them stateless. (supreme ct - al-jazza)
PP, Maybe you should let our authorities know.
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The interview is chilling.
She has no remorse, and seems completely at ease with what went on.
Leave her to rot.
I posted about a similar situation last October.
I hope they are still in the camp.
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She has no remorse, and seems completely at ease with what went on.
Leave her to rot.
I posted about a similar situation last October.
I hope they are still in the camp.
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hereIam: Who is trying to send her back, and when did she express a wish to kill us all? There are so many stories flying around, I'm not sure I am keeping up. I thought she was in a detention camp and told a UK journalist she wants to return?
It wasn't you, but someone said she would have to go to the embassy. If she is detained, I would expect the Syrian government to speak to ours about a way forwards. I doubt they would let her wander around at will, given that she has almost certainly broken laws there.
Sorry if I missed something. I hope to be home for Channel 4 News.
It wasn't you, but someone said she would have to go to the embassy. If she is detained, I would expect the Syrian government to speak to ours about a way forwards. I doubt they would let her wander around at will, given that she has almost certainly broken laws there.
Sorry if I missed something. I hope to be home for Channel 4 News.
// PP, Maybe you should let our authorities know. //
yes I will ! I will !
you know Yvonne Fletcher? shot outside the Libyan Embassy? I rang up the Foreign Office and said they could go in under the doctrine of Hot Pursuit - and the duty clerk insisted - "Nah foo ! dat not right dat not!"
and people were later Very Quiet Indeed about whether they could or not ( yes they could) - and no I didnt get a medal as being right when Very Impt People are wrong is not the game at all.
The al-jazza case I think is an Iraqi who naturalised to British, and their lordships agonised over whether he was stateless as he gave up Iraqi nationality but not the potential to reapply for his birth nationality .....
another concerns a reluctant Portuguese father who declines to assist the abandoned Zim mother to register the child with the Portuguese authorities ... Zim nationality is not open to the child.... is the child stateless as a result of the father being a pain in the arriss ?
yes I will ! I will !
you know Yvonne Fletcher? shot outside the Libyan Embassy? I rang up the Foreign Office and said they could go in under the doctrine of Hot Pursuit - and the duty clerk insisted - "Nah foo ! dat not right dat not!"
and people were later Very Quiet Indeed about whether they could or not ( yes they could) - and no I didnt get a medal as being right when Very Impt People are wrong is not the game at all.
The al-jazza case I think is an Iraqi who naturalised to British, and their lordships agonised over whether he was stateless as he gave up Iraqi nationality but not the potential to reapply for his birth nationality .....
another concerns a reluctant Portuguese father who declines to assist the abandoned Zim mother to register the child with the Portuguese authorities ... Zim nationality is not open to the child.... is the child stateless as a result of the father being a pain in the arriss ?
.// PP, Maybe you should let our authorities know. //DannyK
"The Secretary of State for the Home Department cannot make an order which deprives a person of his British citizenship on the ground that it is conducive to the public good if she is satisfied that the order would make him stateless. " ( Lord Thingey in Al Jazza Supreme Ct)
yeah perhaps Danny
perhaps the authorities cant read or are blind
or are too busy wiv Brexit or ....
"The Secretary of State for the Home Department cannot make an order which deprives a person of his British citizenship on the ground that it is conducive to the public good if she is satisfied that the order would make him stateless. " ( Lord Thingey in Al Jazza Supreme Ct)
yeah perhaps Danny
perhaps the authorities cant read or are blind
or are too busy wiv Brexit or ....
// By going over to the Deash does that not imply that she adopted citizenship of the embryonic Islamic State ? //
nope - not even if you dash ( pun intended) into a Paree bon Marche to buy Eau Perrier ( d'accord!) - can they conclude that you wish to swap your good old British nationality for the French cheese eating one .....
it may seem unfair or illogical but there it is ....
nope - not even if you dash ( pun intended) into a Paree bon Marche to buy Eau Perrier ( d'accord!) - can they conclude that you wish to swap your good old British nationality for the French cheese eating one .....
it may seem unfair or illogical but there it is ....
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