This Deal Or No Brexit At All

[-Talbot-]

https://twitter.com/JunckerEU/status/1105238043106181120


When was 'No Deal' taken off the table?



https://twitter.com/SimonPearson961/status/1105241140943568897

[dannyk13]

ellipsis,many of our trade deals are with countries outside the EU sao we would not be tearing them all up.

[anotheoldgit]

Why a transition period, it's already been over two years to get things sorted.

We were told we would come out in March and we should, no deal needed.

[jim360]

The transition period is so that we can sort out the future trading arrangements. It's therefore rather important.

[ichkeria]

The “WTO deal” isn’t a deal.
WTO trading rules are a set of in many cases vague guidelines that are used by countries that don’t have trade deals.
Less than half the world trades that way. Of course long term outside the EU the UK would have its own trade deals that mean in most cases WTO arrangements can be overridden. But even trade deals are problematic. The danger is the UK on its own is very much a weak relation to the countries and blocs that matter the most: The US, Japan the EU etc

[ichkeria]

Re equipment the reality is spicerack that the EU is the sole supplier :-)

[Ellipsis]

> ellipsis,many of our trade deals are with countries outside the EU so we would not be tearing them all up.

Incorrect. Try Googling something like ...

how many trade deals does the UK have

... and see for yourself.

[Old_Geezer]

Some seem to have strange interpretations of things.

No deal is nothing like the equivalent of us shooting ourselves in the head and the EU shooting themselves in the foot. It's simply the only remaining option when the EU is determined to use the tactic of forcing us not to go by refusing to agree to sensible suggestions. In reality it causes an economic blip to both, and maybe further afield too.

No-deal was never simply a bargaining chip, but it had to be made clear to the public (or at least those that claimed not to realise) it's removal left us at the mercy of the EU. Something remoaners seemed to be hoping for. No-deal is simply the default exit if nothing better can be agreed in the allotted time, and the EU was determined nothing would be. The EU needs to know their attempt to force us to remain by threatening no-deal won't work, and they are bringing it on themselves.

[jim360]

Well, OG, the good news at least is that you needn't worry about this particular deal going through.

[Old_Geezer]

Future trading arrangements should already have been discussed instead of wasting time on exit penalties. Been 2 years, too late to start jabbering on now in the hope of not agreeing anything for the next few decades. It's not a viable option. It's purely further attempts to stop Brexit.

[Canary42]

An extension would only be a wise choice if May and her hopeless Government used it as they should have been using the last 3 years - i.e. preparing the country to counter the disadvantages of being outside EU (and of course preparing to exploit the advantages). But if given an extension she will only carry on with the pathetic procrastination which has so dragged this country down since Article 50 day. So, no extension please.

[jim360]

"Future trading arrangements should already have been discussed ..."

The EU stuck to its own red lines on that -- no amount of temper tantrums to the opposite effect will have changed their minds. As to the rest of the world -- well, apart from a small handful, most other countries have also decided to wait and see whether Brexit would even happen before settling future trading arrangements.

[ichkeria]

Future there deals HAVE been worked on for heavens sake lol. Where have you been?
Only Dr Fox seems very coy as to how far some of them have got, purportedly and understandably perhaps he claims for commercial reasons. One has to hope he’s being honest there.

[fiction-factory]

Well the chances of this final deal being accepted tonight seem to be reducing rapidly as the details are analysed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47529293

[ichkeria]

Sorry OG if you meant the EU. In which case, as Jim said ...

[Ellipsis]

> No-deal is simply the default exit

If that is the case, you need to ask yourself why there's a vote scheduled for tomorrow in Parliament for whether pressing ahead with no deal would be acceptable.

https://www.ft.com/content/64e7f218-4ad4-11e7-919a-1e14ce4af89b

[jim360]

I suppose you have to give credit to Geoffery Cox that, despite almost certainly having to endure political pressure in favour of selling last night's developments as the breakthrough that was needed, he gave an honest and unbiased legal opinion.

That it has utterly wrecked the government's own policy is unfortunate, to say the least, but better to tell the truth than to sell a lie.

[ichkeria]

Re an extension: the EU has said there’s no more negotiating to be done. So even if an extension is requested I can’t see it being granted as things stand. In reality if the deal goes down today I can see the plans for the next two days being torn up.

[Ellipsis]

> In reality if the deal goes down today I can see the plans for the next two days being torn up.

Nope it's the other way around - each day is contingent on the day before:

https://www.ft.com/content/64e7f218-4ad4-11e7-919a-1e14ce4af89b

[-Talbot-]

https://twitter.com/Geoffrey_Cox/status/1105393787243778053


That's the same word I used Geoffrey.

[Old_Geezer]

There's been few if any temper tantrums, unless one is discussing one's own household. The issue was always, be reasonable or the default is no-deal as per A50.

Surely the reason for the vote is obvious. But if I need point it out, it's because remainer MPs (which most seem to be) are trying their utmost to thwart Brexit, against the referendum decision.